To send them home? (trigger warning grooming gangs)

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The Rape and Grooming scandal is blowing up on twitter/social media and the extent of the scandal is actually mind boggling. Apparently up to 250,000 girls may have been affected 😱

This initially shocked me but when I thought of it, although I’m based in a rural area I know of two girls who have been caught up in it - one of whom in my class at school was raped in a park aged around thirteen and another family friends daughter found naked in a room with a group of adult men at the age of 14 and was blamed for leading them all on. Those living in towns/cities must see so much more of this?!

I’ve also heard today that Pakistan is willing to take back criminals convicted in the Uk of these crimes (UK-Pakistan Prisoner treaty agreement) and has been for a number of years but we’re not sending them back. I know not all perpetrators are Pakistani and not all Pakistani men are capable of such evil (and I work with plenty of decent Pakistani men), but of those who are convicted and born there why on earth are they still here in the UK if we can remove them as a danger from our society and their home country is willing to take them?

In have two daughters and I’m honestly terrified for their future given this significant threat to young girls in this country. It seems like no one cares enough to rock the boat.

YABU - No they should remain here and we should deal with it
YANBU - They should be sent back

Misleading, needs adjusting for what % of the population they represent.

No I haven't. You refer to the 'Rotherham rapists' who weren't immigrants.

Again.

Kindness to rapists is a bad thing. I would chemically castrate every man involved in any sexual offence for life.

Because they offend at a disproportionate rate. Unfortunately the woke can’t really attribute this to race because there are other brown groups with vastly different stats.

So, why is that then?

please can someone explain why Muslims are 4% of the general population but 18% of the prison pollination? This disproportion is not observed among other Asian groups such as Hindus and Sikhs.

It's far more than 25 years, 50 years ago when I was teaching in Bradford we knew about the many abuses of young girls but the most important thang was to preserve good 'community relations', ie let them get away with it. Girls disappearing to be sold off to some old man as a 'wife' was not unknown but again, it was part of 'the culture' and hence untouchable.
The original comment in this thread, saying it is 'racist' and 'goady' is from one of the people responsible for the current situation.

I would bet good money that you are an ignorant individual who won’t even watch that video. I’m very sorry if I’m not posting in the same way as your echo chamber. Open your eyes and look around for goodness sake.

Woke = anti racist. It's not an insult.

Where is your evidence? Most child sex abusers are white and most are family members.

I actually got my figures slightly wrong. It is Pakistani men who commit 3.9% of sex crimes.
Asian men commit 7%, total population 9%. White men make up 85% of suspects while making up 82% of the population.

The figures from this article from Sky.

news.sky.com/story/amp/child-sex-abuse-and-grooming-gangs-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-from-the-data-13285420

“In terms of group-based offences, 85% of suspects are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black.
According to the 2021 census, 82% of the England and Wales population is white, compared with 9% Asian, 4% black and 2% mixed/other.

It still is white men. Where is your evidence that it's not been white men for the last 30 years?

You're right, they are a problem but not the biggest one. The real problem is the men who are grooming, raping and torturing children.

You still need to provide a source for your comment about Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. In its current form, it could be considered libellous, and it has in fact already been fact checked and found to be without substantiation.

The issue of police and wider organisational attitudes towards these girls is not new. And yes, it absolutely does need addressing. The same attitudes allowed the Yorkshire Ripper (white British btw) to carry on raping and killing young women. Instead of being laser focused on ethnicity, we should focus on the value we place on women and girls and on improving the support, protection and provision of life chances for young women (and men) who have had a difficult start in life and have no support network from their own family.

You made the point about one poster caring only about nice middle class girls - which was completely false - but that point did get to the core of things in one way: the UK class system is alive and well and ruining things. If you want to protect women and girls, you need to address social and economic inequality because it's clear that young girls who come from strong, supportive and loving families where there is no abuse or deprivation are far less vulnerable to being groomed. So why are you on here whinging about Muslims when there is a far bigger and more deep rooted problem at the heart of it all?

If anyone happened to catch the journalist on the News Agents podcast who covered the original trials and exposé, he was incredibly compelling in his account of the initial difficulties covering grooming gangs

I heard this interview with Andrew Norfolk too and it was excellent. I also noted his sadness about the way that the issue is being treated as a political stick which does nothing to help the victims.
Nobody on here is defending the appalling behaviour of these men. What some of us are trying to get across is the need to stick to the facts (real, verifiable facts not the sound bites and misinformation circulating at the moment) . If we are to have any chance of tackling the very serious problems of child sexual exploitation and child criminal exploitation and to protect children, then we all need to be working together not fighting each other.

Why? Do you object to any discussion of child abuse or just this? Your attitude is an reason so much has gone unpunished for years.

But there is no evidence that Blair and Brown "ordered" it. Show me that evidence.

I was talking specifically about sex crimes, As the SKY figures show, they are only slightly over represented in that category, as are White men.

I don't think I said that. But if I implied it I am sorry. Clearly white men are still implicated in proportion to their local population.

These men would not have been grooming and raping children for decades if the people responsible for protecting them hadn't turned a blind eye and blamed them.

Virtue signalling, white women are also part of the problem. Nice and safe in the Home Counties debating on Mumsnet whilst the most vulnerable women and girls continue to be victimised.

Carry on being so open minded your brains fall out.

Said as a poc.

For those asking for sources for my earlier comment regarding Blair/Brown, I dare you to watch this South Yorkshire review in full and see what you think and tell me I’m definitely wrong for thinking the police were at best turning a blind eye, or worse still, complicit in what was going on.

Stop moving the goalposts. You specifically accused Tony Blair and Gordon Brown of ordering the police to ignore these crimes. I've watched that video. Neither of those politicians are mentioned and the police officer does not say he was following anyone's orders. What happened was terrible. But so far you have made post after post accusing the wrong people of crimes.

Of course until the last few decades it was mainly white men.

That's what you said, but thank you for the apology.

It is para 22 of this circular which is at the root of all the lies and smearing. It does not say what pp claim. Not even slightly approaching it.
webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20130309160639/www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/corporate-publications-strategy/home-office-circulars/circulars-2008/017-2008/

Which doesn't say ignore sex abuse from different communities because it might be seen as racist. And which was passed in 1989 under Thatcher.

Just listen to the testimonies of the victims - time and time again it was the girl or her family who were arrested, not the rapists.

This will have a massive impact on the statistics if the groomers weren’t even arrested in the first place! This is why it’s such a huge scandal, as the published statistics/anrrests are not reflective of the crimes that have been occurring. A subset of the population have been protected from the law.

Twitter is a terrible place to get news/ information. This article from the FT is informative.

Anybody can be a victim’: what do UK grooming gangs look like today? - on.ft.com/4h6sXVU via @FT