To send them home? (trigger warning grooming gangs)

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The Rape and Grooming scandal is blowing up on twitter/social media and the extent of the scandal is actually mind boggling. Apparently up to 250,000 girls may have been affected 😱

This initially shocked me but when I thought of it, although I’m based in a rural area I know of two girls who have been caught up in it - one of whom in my class at school was raped in a park aged around thirteen and another family friends daughter found naked in a room with a group of adult men at the age of 14 and was blamed for leading them all on. Those living in towns/cities must see so much more of this?!

I’ve also heard today that Pakistan is willing to take back criminals convicted in the Uk of these crimes (UK-Pakistan Prisoner treaty agreement) and has been for a number of years but we’re not sending them back. I know not all perpetrators are Pakistani and not all Pakistani men are capable of such evil (and I work with plenty of decent Pakistani men), but of those who are convicted and born there why on earth are they still here in the UK if we can remove them as a danger from our society and their home country is willing to take them?

In have two daughters and I’m honestly terrified for their future given this significant threat to young girls in this country. It seems like no one cares enough to rock the boat.

YABU - No they should remain here and we should deal with it
YANBU - They should be sent back

I'm not sure what the argument against it is?

The argument is that foreign nationals were largely uninvolved with the grooming scandal therefore the legal position is moot.

I think anyone who is NOT British born should be returned to their country of birth whatever the crime was. However long they have lived in the UK.

I live in an area affected and I am genuinely not worried about DD, even though a family member was targetted .
There are reasons that some girls are caught up in this (none of which are their fault) and some are not. No victim blaming AT ALL here but I know from personal experience how unsuccessful these men are when they target girls who are not vulnerable, or are not a vulnerable as they may appear and how The Police WILL take action.
Tragically a lot of the issues with these grooming gangs come from the attitude to the girls involved from various agencies.

Well if they happen to be Pakistani, I'd say they should be sent back to Pakistan wouldn't you?

But as a society we should surely be worried about the girls around your daughter who may be affected as well as our own children, even if we don’t think ours will be targeted?

You’re effectively saying ‘don’t worry about it as long as your middle class/ from an unaffected area/not involved with social workers’, that it is a problem for them only and not for ‘us’?

At the end of the day as troubled as these girls may be, they are CHILDREN and as a society we should all care?!

Deporting foreign national prisoners at the end of their sentences takes forever, and definitely needs to be speeded up. The problem with the rape gangs is that a lot of them are of Pakistani ethnicity, but they are British nationals. You can't just deport people because they're brown.

Exactly.

The PP seems to be under the mistaken notion that all white groomers are British?

If they are British citizens and born here, it's not as simple as saying 'send them back' to a Country they may never have been to. They are evil rapists and should be treated as such - sex offenders register and monitoring once they've served their sentence but you can't treat them differently because of their ethnicity. My mum came here in the 1950s from India, if I commit a crime should I be 'sent back' to India because of my ethnicity?

If they're overseas committing these crimes then absolutely I'd expect those countries to extradite them home. Op was quite clear that she's not talking about British born rapists - of any colour - but nationals from other countries who came to the UK and committed these heinous crimes.

And I agree with op, and say this as someone who could well be described as 'woke' by most measures. Commit a crime in another country (not your birth country), get sent back to face the music.

Any country where child rapists have originated should agree to take them back and imprison them there. I think for this type of crime it's clear cut.
It's bad enough having to have British born perverts roaming the streets.

So yeah, if they were born elsewhere they should go back. As long as they'll be adequately punished and it won't actually end up easier for them.

I wish Mumsnet would clamp down on these goady racist threads.

Yeah, you have to pick your battles. We have very little say over Pakistan’s political choices. So it goes.

I am very worried about ALL girls who might be affected of course and I do agree that any one involved if not UK born should be sent home
My point was just addressing your fear for YOUR daughters
Apologies if it seemed I was only worried about my own daughter

It's become a frog in water scenario. I saw someone proudly announce that they believe in the great replacement theory the other day.

Can you quote which posts you deem racist please? Or do you just label any discussion beyond your comprehension as being ‘racist’?

How would this actually work? If say they are third generation in this country and it was their grandparents etc who came over? You can’t just send someone back to a county where they don’t have nationality/passport, family, etc? I think most FOREIGN nationals are deported after the end of their sentence. The Romanian gang just done for this kind of thing in Dundee, I think I read most are recent immigrants so will be deported after their jail time.

OP, the point is you have associated immigrants with the grooming gangs, which is untrue.

They don’t “face the music” though do they?

see previous posts about the Dutch Olympian who was sent home to serve the rest of his sentence and immediately released.

Or Sharon Beshevinsky’s killer who “went home” prior to arrest and lived the next 14 years free.

those are just two I can think of. I am sure there are more.

Intentionally or not your original post sounded as though you wanted all brown skinned people involved in this deported, despite the majority being British such suggested you believe these brown skinned people aren't British because of the colour of their skin.

Maybe that's not what you intended, but that's how it sounds

Yours for starters.

I am at least giving you the credit that you are doing it on purpose, and are fully aware of the implications of what you are saying.

You appear to have missed out the keyword there which was British

But as Gerard Baker pointed out in The Times yesterday, the legacy media have messed this up for themselves by running a number of nonsense stories over the last 8 years.

If people can’t trust legacy media then they are reduced to citizen journalism. Is it the militia of reporting? Yes. Is it wholly reliable or checkable? Yes and no - X has community notes doing a pretty stand up job and it is also transparent.

Prison.

I've reported the OP for hate speech anyway. Let's see what the moderators think.

Yeah I have my doubts about people having dual nationality. I think one should be expected to pick a side. Who would you fight for if your countries of nationality had a war? That’s your nationality. Doesn’t limit where you live unless you are a criminal or we have a war.