To send them home? (trigger warning grooming gangs)

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The Rape and Grooming scandal is blowing up on twitter/social media and the extent of the scandal is actually mind boggling. Apparently up to 250,000 girls may have been affected 😱

This initially shocked me but when I thought of it, although I’m based in a rural area I know of two girls who have been caught up in it - one of whom in my class at school was raped in a park aged around thirteen and another family friends daughter found naked in a room with a group of adult men at the age of 14 and was blamed for leading them all on. Those living in towns/cities must see so much more of this?!

I’ve also heard today that Pakistan is willing to take back criminals convicted in the Uk of these crimes (UK-Pakistan Prisoner treaty agreement) and has been for a number of years but we’re not sending them back. I know not all perpetrators are Pakistani and not all Pakistani men are capable of such evil (and I work with plenty of decent Pakistani men), but of those who are convicted and born there why on earth are they still here in the UK if we can remove them as a danger from our society and their home country is willing to take them?

In have two daughters and I’m honestly terrified for their future given this significant threat to young girls in this country. It seems like no one cares enough to rock the boat.

YABU - No they should remain here and we should deal with it
YANBU - They should be sent back

No. About the ones of them who aren't. As I would expect British criminals to be deported back to Britain. Good grief. How hard is it for some people?

It's very, very hard for some people. Foreign criminals are deported where possible in Britain. Why start a thread about it?

Deport foreign criminals! We already do...

Most of them were born in Britain though. I don’t care. If Shamima Beghums citizenship can be stripped then so can there’s. They are far more of a danger to people in this country imo than she is

How do you strip a British Citizen of their Citizen ship please?

I'm all ears.

I don't think you get to swap Shamima for Abdul , that's not how it works.

How do you strip a British Citizen of their Citizen ship please?

@istheheatingonyet By being an evil, cynical and populist Home Secretary with no consideration for a groomed child; and there being some tenuous hint of an alternative citizenship they could obtain. And she was also born British, not naturalised. It is actually inexcusable.

Are you actually talking about stripping people of British citizenship that were actually born here?!

How does that work? How far back can we go? My son is half Irish, if he were to (god forbid) commit a crime when he grows up, would we send him back to Ireland? Or are you only talking about brown people?

I think all dual nationals can risk one of their citizenships being revoked (because they have another, so will not be stateless). Not saying this is right. Same as having two citizenships means that (in theory) you could be conscripted to fight for one of your countries and your other citizenship can't prevent that. Not saying this is right.

Or are you only talking about brown people?

Like " you have committed a crime, go to the country where your Grandparents came from"

That'll work.

The poll result displays what is developing into quite racist undertone on Mumsnet, inspired by new posters like the one who has started this thread and disguised as concern 'for our young girls'.

Of course grooming gangs is a huge issue, however time and again in all the numerous ' isn't Elon Musk great' threads and in here, there seems to be a cognitive dissonance with the fact that there has been an extensive enquiry and review with measures being put in place by this Government after the previous one didn't do anything, and that most perpetrators are British, so the ' Send 'em back' rhetoric is senseless.

Of course, posters will sneer and scoff at the accusations of racism, but it is there as clear as anything.

racism is rife on " the other site" Its unbelievable that it's permitted tbh.

Or is it?

If a group on men of one race rape, torture and abuse girls of either a different race or races why was racism not included in the charges for which they were prosecuted?

These men raping children must be locked up forever.

Those men found with a naked 14yr old must be hanged. I am not an advocate of capital punishment but those that harm children and animals have no place on this earth. Scum.

How on earth would that work? Please?

They'd have to prove a racist motive. I note that at least some of the victims of some of the Asian gangs were Asian themselves.

So are we now saying that British citizens of Pakistani origin should have their citizenship revoked in this situation? How far back do we go? Grandparents, if their family hasn't integrated? And what about if Pakistan won"t accept them?

Most of the original bunch convicted were illegal immigrants and were due to be deported. Like a lot of illegals they never got sent back.

DH as been a police officer for 20 years and he said most criminals they deal with these days are not British, don’t work and have come here with (often violent) criminal pasts. In fact many of them are illegals

What a shame the national crime data doesn't support that contention.

Yes, good point. I understand the Asian girls were if a different religion - Sikhs and Hindus. The offenders were Muslim. I think religion is a protected characteristic. No Muslim girls were raped or enslaved.

A friends daughter is a survivor of one of rhe North west's grooming gangs she was 14 and her sexual assault was filmed and distributed. All of the men identified in the video were British two of them were white one black and two South East Asian. Not quite sure where you'd send everyone back to. At least if they are here we can make sure they serve their sentence rather than going to another country with less robust justice systems and being able to pay someone off for early release.

Apologies if I've already mentioned this but I saw an extremely eye opening interview with a man who is part of some police foundation. He had previously been part of border force in Oz and he said there would be no issue or question that criminals like this would be chucked out of oz.
Eg the man who was stripped of his citizenship but still resides here after committing heinous life ruining crimes.

He said they very clearly put theirs citizens before criminals, victim before criminal.

He said we in the UK struggle with this concept.

Victim BEFORE criminal.

@GrouachMacbeth look at what's come out with priests and the catholic church.
We are still uncovering hideous crime and yet Catholicism and the church of England has no strangle hold on us anymore.

Can you imagine what's going on in reported in " families" "where cousin marriage is happening so if you dobbed your husband in your upsetting everyone in your family?

You risk loosing everyone possibly life threats...

We can't possibly know what's going on.

Unfortunately.

Ah well, if DH says they are illegals, that'll be right then.

There seems to be very limited information available on the ethnicity and religion of the victims. Do you have any reputable evidence for your assertion that "no" Muslim girls were involved?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2023/12/2/qa-un-expert-on-australia-citizenship-stripping-plan-and-legal-fiction

this would disagree with you and him. Australia did consider legislation that would let them strip serious criminals of citizenship, but as it stands they can’t, it was ruled invalid.