Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

Re poll on previous page.

These are the not the current figures. These are the current guesses.

Who commissioned the "poll", how was it paid for and by whom, how was it delivered, how did they avoid confounding bias such as self selection or only certain demographics?

Starmer recently talked about mass immigration, criticised the Tories and said they'd endeavour to bring it down.

They've deported thousands of people. They've only been in a few months but you want them to magic everything away.

@ComtesseDeSpair , while that’s true Labour has in a ridiculously short time, managed to push us towards a very unfavourable financial situation. Their ideas don’t seem to be all that helpful when put into practice. In fairness the Conservatives were quite rubbish too although the economy was at least on an even keel. I think people are beginning to see that both main parties aren’t offering any real prospect of sunnier uplands and while if they came to power Reform may also fail, they might not and they do seem to have some sensible ideas.

But poor Nigel has been told not to, due to safety concerns. You are mean.

news.sky.com/story/reforms-nigel-farage-backtracks-on-claim-parliaments-security-team-told-him-not-to-hold-in-person-surgeries-in-clacton-13229883

I don’t have contempt for anybody at all, I just think people should be able to hit an educational threshold to be eligible to vote on serious matters like national governance.

It would solve most of our problems instantly.

I noted that you didn't provide a link for your claim "When the decisions were made not to prosecute Pakistani Muslim rape gangs he was serving as the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) in the UK from 2008 to 2013, overseeing the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). The police need permission from this service to prosecute crimes." so I went to investigate and found

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime/

"Mr Starmer was the head of the CPS in 2009, when a key decision not to prosecute a case in Rochdale was taken. However, we can find no evidence he had any personal involvement in the decision, or that it was due to concern about Islamophobia.
According to evidence given to the Home Affairs Committee, the decision was based on CPS guidelines of the time which suggested a jury might see victims as unreliable if they had come forward some time after the offence, if they had deviated or changed their accounts, made use of drink or drugs or had subsequently gone back to the perpetrator. As a result, such cases were thought not to have a realistic prospect of achieving a conviction.
In 2011, Nazir Afzal, who at the time was director of prosecutions in London, was made chief prosecutor for the north west. He subsequently overturned the 2009 decision and a total of nine men were later convicted.
In a recent interview Mr Afzal recalled: “The only way we could bring that case was to admit that we had failed these victims when they had first made a complaint in 2008. Keir was 100% behind the decision to publicly admit that we had got it wrong in the past.”
Following these convictions, Mr Starmer appointed Mr Afzal as the head of a newly formed national network of specialist prosecutors for child abuse and sexual exploitation. Mr Afzal went on to oversee numerous convictions against other grooming gangs. "

So I hope that you will, in the interest of truth, now update your claim based on this new information.

LIke you, you mean? You have shown your level of intelligence on many threads, and it's a pretty low bar!

So far they’re magicking a stalling economy and anti growth policies

Labour are no longer on the side of the Working classes.

Yes, but they are slightly more on the side of the working class than any of the mainstream alternatives.
In a globalised system, no party can be wholly on the side of the working class in a single country. As soon as they put up taxes to pay for a genuinely functional social state (NHS, housing, social care, education, etc.), the global financial markets get spooked, interest rates go up on government borrowing, and the economy collapses. If such a government persisted, multi-national companies would quickly re-locate abroad to avoid taxes and regulation, and the country would go into a downward spiral.
The only option is taxing the wealth of individuals, not companies, hence inheritance tax as a start - but even then the wealthiest just move abroad.

National socialism does not work. (The National Socialist German Workers Party is the spectacular example)

The alternative is international socialism - but that would require the masses in the UK accepting that our standard of living is extremely high compared to the majority of other countries in the world - international socialism would require that our standard of living decrease hugely so that other countries could get wealthier.
International socialism as an ideology doesn't have a great track record either.

So we carry on muddling through.

@HappyPanda613
Indeed, as you are uneducated in the extreme about human rights and democractic voting and show extreme bias against those who may not have had equal opportunities to engage in formal education, your own lack of education and general ignorance on these matters would mean that under your own system, you would not be allowed to vote.

https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/right/article-3-of-the-first-protocol-right-to-free-elections/

https://www.ohchr.org/en/elections

What is there to be shocked about? Change is needed. People have had enough.

But where do you then position the actual truth? Real facts, backed up with data? Currently opinions and downright untruths are presented as facts ("free speech") which just feeds into the free for all we are currently witnessing. In my experience, it started with the Brexit campaign where real solid facts were dismissed by longstanding friends because they wanted to believe what they were being told instead. And disseminated those beliefs as facts. I think it's really worrying.

I don’t think it’s that Starmer is shite, I think it’s the massive propaganda campaign against him from abroad - and in favour of Reform.

Kemi Badenoch just seems like a stooge who’s been out there to allow Reform to rise!

Scary stuff.

Have you been following the economic impact of their policies?

And what would that educational threshold be?

I have an opinion on your posting but I for one am not tempted to call you names or indulge in personal attacks. I'm sure that you're fully aware that this would breach the talk guidelines.

I’m leaning more towards Stalin/ Hitler in disguise . . .

I thought Blair was the best pm in my lifetime.

@HappyPanda613 , what is scary is the amount of control you think the government should have over what influences how people think. You want to censor information because you deem people to be too thick to be trusted with it and you want to ban a political party because they might be more popular than the one you consider to have the right policies. Join the thought police and send all us dissenters off to the gulag why don’t you? 😱

It sure solved the 'problem' of universal suffrage for people in colour when they used to do this in America. Or weren't you aware of the racist history of the 'policy solution' you are suggesting, despite your educational threshold?

And ' educational threshold' doesn't mean you have sensible, evidenced positions.. In fact, its well evidenced in replicated research after research that more educated people are more likely to believe fantastical and unevidenced ideas, as they use their intelligence to convince themselves of the veracity of unevidenced claims.

Yes, sadly, I think we peaked with war criminal Tony Blair.

Starmer/ the Labour Party sent 100 activists to help the Democrats in the American elections.

The Democrats obviously lost and we now have a President Trump that hates Starmer.

Starmer has a poor sense of judgement.

@noblegiraffe

I didn't provide a link as it was and is absolutely common knowledge.

I stated only that he was in charge. As he was. Millions are horrified and outraged and disgusted that he WAS IN CHARGE when the police asked for permission to prosecute Pakistani Muslim rape gangs who are now responsible for raping tens of thousands of British girls.

The fact that nobody can prove he was responsible at this point does not in any way mitigate the fact that HE WAS IN CHARGE.

Which is precisely and clearly what I stated.

The Tories were horrendous, Labour have proved equally so, which is no surprise given they are both almost identical politically. This is pure desperation on the part of the electorate. It’s worrying & depressing but was entirely predictable.

Oh yes, I totally forgot about all that.