Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

Yes!! The working class people of the North are clearly too stupid to be given the opportunity to make their own choices!

I suggested you do some basic research. You seem disinclined to do so.

I do think parties such as Reform will try to whip up froth and outrage a lot more on SM and platforms such as MN, but I don't think any party is immune from drumming up support on SM and forums.

They rely on people getting angry and blaming immigrants for all the problems we're facing as a country, and a lot of people on various platforms will read such posts and instantly agree - bam, another voter.

But Reform is not strictly a political party, it’s a for profit business.

How is that allowed in a democracy?

I live in the north, in a working class town (though I am considerably better off than the majority living here) and I come face to face with people nearly every day.

And trust me, I wouldn’t give the people here a choice of what sweetener to put in their coffee, never mind a choice on what government will head the entire country for the next five years. Surely people know this?

The BBC has been talking about the crisis in the NHS all week.

We also know that Labout has been talking about a "housing crisis".

The truth is, we just don't have the resources to look after refugees etc.

People clearly support them, going by the latest poll it’s the same amount who support Labour

A fair few Mn posters try to keep different views out by calling people bots or paid but if you or anyone using this way to attack want a closed site maybe a Labour FB only one would be better

@B0xes you said you'd be interested in my reasoned response to your question yet you haven't responded to it. Do you have any issues with what I have posted here, or do you agree with my conclusions?

Elon Musk has said openly that he wants to oust Starmer before the next election.

I know rich folk have always donated to and influenced political parties but how can anyone complete with the likes of Musk, all his billions and media ownership? The Murdochs and their ilk are bad enough.

I think he is really such a nefarious influence on the country and truly a dangerous individual. At the moment he is setting the agenda and the Conservatives and Reform are like puppets dancing to his tune.

As I said, just look at where we sit in the league table of countries taking in refugees. It's not hard to find that information.

This is getting better, brick layers and hairdressers are too stupid too express an opinion now? Can you give us an example of occupations which can/should be afforded that privelege?
Maybe you can include some examples of acceptable opinions as well?

Reform got more than 4 million votes despite being new and untested. Labour limped in with 9 million out of a possible 46 million, and only managed that because the Tories were so detested.

Starmer took the knee for BLM, and paid for members of the Labour party to go and interfere in American politics to try to get Harris elected then whined about foreign interference in his own politics when Musk brought the Muslim Pakistani rape gangs to the attention of the world.

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/uk-pm-starmer-downplays-labour-workers-backing-harris-in-us-election-124102301332_1.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/black-lives-matter-keir-starmer-labour-take-knee-george-floyd-funeral-a9557166.html

He stripped the fuel allowance from pensioners despite claiming in the past that this would kill at least 4000 pensioners.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/winter-fuel-payment-cut-labour-deaths-b2609340.html

His policies have caused outrage amongst farmers and millions of their supporters. He has now added a new tax for education.

He did not let out even a whisper about these plans before the election despite them being enormous changes affecting many UK citizens.

When the decisions were made not to prosecute Pakistani Muslim rape gangs he was serving as the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) in the UK from 2008 to 2013, overseeing the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). The police need permission from this service to prosecute crimes.

He failed to vote for an national enquiry into Pakistani Muslim rape gangs in the last week but ordered his MPs to vote against it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-grooming-gang-vote-abstain-b2676564.html

Many have become very concerned that he attended a communist training camp in Czecoslovakia in 1986, and edited a communist magazine in his early 20s.

https://x.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1829094819693572372

If an election was called today, Reform would win in a landslide. That's an opinion. The rest of this comment is simple fact, and will remain true no matter how much that upsets you, or how many names you call me.

And there we have it - your contempt for people you consider beneath you and your contempt for democracy.

There are plenty of highly educated people, including academics, I think have absolutely fucking stupid, incoherent and frankly harmful opinions, and whats more they are often in better positions to promote those ideas than the people you are disparaging. I still think they absolutely should have the right to vote and to have the free speech to argue for their thick opinions.

Because that is what democracy means. Its for everyone. Even people you really, really don't like.

Summer before the 2019 election ukip and libdems were polling very high but by the election day everyone went back conservatives/labour. 2029 is five years into a trump government so the world will be a different place by them.

Why doesn't Saudi Arabia take in refugees? Why doesn't Japan take in refugees? Why doesn't Korea take in refugees?

Why is it only Western Europe expected to take in refugees?

We also know most of these "refugees" only come to the UK for a better lifestyle.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh look, another one who believes everything she reads in the daily heil, that well known RW rag.

Refugees are a tiny fraction of the number of people the Conversatives decided legally to let into the country from 2021 onwards.

Check the Conservative's record on immigration. The Labour government have just inherited that.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/reports/why-are-the-latest-net-migration-figures-not-a-reliable-guide-to-future-trends/#:~:text=Net%20migration%20has%20been%20unusually,(ONS%2C%20May%202024).

Also the numbers of dangerous small boat crossings increased massively under the previous government. Leaving the EU actually increased them.

This is not a pro-Reform argument by the way, it's just setting out the position that the current government have inherited.

Ask the citizens of Clacton where the surgeries are. Clue, he hasn’t held any since being elected 6.5 months ago. 🤣

Daily Heil?

I don't think we can simply say it's poor people who vote for reform. You piss enough people off - from middle and upper income families - and they will also seek an alternative to labour / conservative.
I say this as a very left leaner who is utterly fed up with feeling completely rinsed by taxes and prices and getting very little back...

not that I would vote reform.... maybe green.

These are the current figures.

Oh look, another one who didn't click on any of the links that proved every word I said, or spend even a second verifying anything, but would rather imply anyone who speaks words you don't like is a fascist. Yes, that was your implication. However, as fascists hate facts you are far closer to your intended slur than I am.

You're simply not intelligent enough to have any sort of discussion with, and neither is anybody else who replies in this infantile fashion, so I won't be.

Labour is gone. They are a rotting corpse. And thanks to people like you and your unwavering contempt for anyone who speaks words you don't like, the UK is going to swing far, far right.

It's already happening. God help us all.

Small boats is linked to lorry crack downs not leaving EU

It’s why numbers peaked in 2002 pre Brexit and then traffickers found the new way to enter

Aren't you the self confessed 'upper class' in the other thread who wanted to suppress discussion about child rape gangs?

You don't have high opinions of working class people up North do you? My DH is one, and I must be a proud knucklehead and rabble rouser for absolutely hating Labour which you so adore.

Actually there are some very intellectual right wing publications out there that make the DM look like the Guardian