Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

Yes there is.

You don’t know that, the civil service seem to disagree. And generally speaking, if somebody goes to all that effort and danger to make their way to these shores, I’m inclined to believe them when they say that they have fled war or persecution.

Well in that case, the onus is on you to prove that they exist. And you can’t can you? Because they don’t.

You need to report illegal immigrants to the HO.

I was about to say exactly this! I'm not remotely surprised. I'm more worried about the state of the country under this Labour govt than I ever was under the Tories. And that's saying something!

Honestly after Truss, how the fuck was Blair the worst PM ever??

I'd put Sunak and Bozo before Blair anyday.

and you can’t prove they don’t. People say they do , you chose to call those people racist based on your ideological beliefs.

There is nothing more likely to cause fear and hatred than failing to listen to lived experienced based on the colour of skin .

No I don't live in an upmarket post code. I've lived here for 7 years but before I moved to live here I socialised here for years regularly, several times a week, in pubs and clubs all over the city. I've never heard no go areas spoken of.

I think they must be asylum seekers who are either waiting to have their applications decided, or whose applications have been refused and are awaiting an appeal or to be returned to their country of origin?

Assuming that, they will have their hotel room paid for and either £45/week for meals and toiletries etc, or £9.10/week if their accommodation is providing their meals. https://fullfact.org/online/pensioners-illegal-immigrants-refugees-benefits/

Illegal immigrants receive nothing.

@caringcarer I can't work out if you're a troll or just genuinely stupid. Can you please explain how an ILLEGAL immigrant can get money from the taxpayer / government? Do you understand that asylum seekers are not the same as illegal immigrants? And that showing us a photo of a group of people standing outside of a hotel vaping does not prove your point about "illegal" immigrants as we've no way for knowing just by looking at them what their immigration status is??

If they are asylum seekers they are not illegal until their claim is processed and refused.

Wow! The biggest increase in immigration under Tories, the biggest hikes in taxes under Tories, prison overcrowding under Tories, intrest rate hikes under Tories, wage deflation under Tories, but 6 months of basically nothing under Starmer and you're worried....fuck me.

I look at papers like the Telegraph, Mail and Express, listen to people on here , and its like they live in another country to the one I live in. Like it was a fucking utopia until Starmer got into number 10.

Completely disconnected from reality.

Oh and I worked here for years on criminal justice projects as well.

Why do people think a new party will make a difference? The problem is there is no money. Period.

Fleeing war and oppression? Last time I looked France wasn't at war.

There are no no go areas for white people in the U.K. Name one if you are so sure and it’s so obvious.

What we need is a proper grown up conversation about why people are turning to Reform. Every time Labour try to cancel dissent by calling it "far right" they turn more people to Reform. Just like you calling for Reform to be banned rather than really understanding the reasons for its rise in popularity.

100% this! But people still won't listen. In their mind the 'reason' will always be 'because they're racist' 😴😴

Aren't Reform voters just Brexiters?

What's the difference?

The Brexit voters need someone else to blame as that did not solve their problems. So Farrage points them at the immigrants. When they are gone and things haven't improved he will find another group to blame...

I don’t loathe him. Yes, his popularity dropped, but loathe?

No go in what sense? Because there is nowhere you can’t go, and cities have always had bits where you might not choose to if you didn’t have to.

If France has no interest in settling these people then it’s up to us to do what we can to give them shelter. As many countries in Western Europe are starting to change their policies on immigration, we have an opportunity to set a good example and be the shining beacon against the rising dark that doesn’t abandon people who are down on their luck, just because they happen to be different.

And where is the money going to come from to build all these houses. Plus then you need more money to build more schools, GP surgeries, hospitals etc.

You also have to take into account finding land which is suitable for housing, impact on wildlife etc.

That’s first past the post in action. Not democracy.

Sorry, slightly pedantic but the foreign office only advises against travel to parts of Pakistan.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan

Many areas of Pakistan are perfectly safe to visit. I'm assuming your friend chose to either visit an unsafe area or has embellished his story a little!