Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

As,ing where they are isn’t a ‘quibble’. It’s a way of demonstrating they don’t exist - because nobody ever gives an example. They don’t do this because they know a quick google will destroy their argument. There aren’t any no go areas. Cities have always had rougher places you might want to avoid if you didn’t know them. That’s not to do with I migration and doesn’t equal a no go area.

I don't think you're a Labour supporter at all. You sound like you're taking the piss out of Labour.

So you are saying we shouldn’t take any asylum seekers then?

They aren’t illegal inmigrants. They are asylum seekers, which is complately legal. They get accommodation and a tiny amount of money. They aren’t allowed to work. There would be far fewer in hotels if the Tories had done their job and processed some applications.
Oh, and if you think the hotels bear any resemblance to what you would expect I a 4* establishment, I have a bridge to sell you.

Where?

You can’t prove a negative. You are saying they exist, therefore the onus is in you to prove it.

I think it was both tbh. I do think there was a definite reluctance on the part of the local authorities to address what was happening because of the ethnicity of the offenders. Possibly it was more the class of the victims rather than their race, but then you have to take into account that the offenders seemed to think their victims were particularly worthless because they weren't fellow Muslims or from their own community.

Personal experiences do hugely affect us. I grew up in an area with a high proportion of Pakistani Muslims, back in the 80s and early 90s, and I remember being propositioned for sex while walking home from school in my school uniform. I mean, it happened frequently, it wasn't something rare or even unusual. This is in a town that hasn't been mentioned in the rape gang context btw.

absolute nonsense. You are complicit in destroying community adhesion by ignoring the lived experience of people within communities due to your ideological beliefs based on the colour of the skin & nationally of the people raising concerns.

What is almost funny ,but is really not, is your self righteous belief that you are solving racism when what you are actually doing is perpetuating it.

Slow . Hand . Clap.

Where did I say I’d solved racism? It’s a massive problem.
I live in a multiracial community. It’s my lived experience I’m talking about. I’m not sure what ideological beliefs you are referencing.
Now then. An example of a no go area? Should be easy if it’s your lived experience, right?

@HappyPanda613

The RNLI or Royal Navy should be picking these people up themselves from the beaches of France, thus making the gangs entirely irrelevant.

Do you post on X under the name Titania McGrath?

But they are not illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are people who have no right to stay in the UK and so no recourse to public funds and are not put up.in hotels.

The people you are talking about are asylum seekers. You might not like them or the way they arrived in the UK, but they are not illegal immigrants.

Yes, true. I was thinking about it from the perspective of why the police were so reluctant to act, but it's also very important to think about why those men felt empowered to act that way in the first place.

Sorry you had that when walking home from school. So much crazy shit was normalised back then! Sadly, it doesn't sound like too much has changed, but at least teens now seem to recognise that's it's unacceptable.

Asylum seeker/ refugee/ illegal immigrant, no matter what you call them, they shouldn't be in the UK.

It's not out job to solve the problems of the world.

Why is it no one claiming there are "no go" areas for white people in the UK is willing to specify exactly where these are areas are?

You've come a long way since being "shocked" in your OP.

Why are we so special that we shouldn't take our fair share of asylum seekers?

Take our "fair share" of asylum seekers?

Why does the likes of Japan and Korea not take asylum seekers?

How many people are in Asia/ Middle East/ Africa? A couple of billion? We simple don't have the resources or space to look after all these people.

I have explained why I won’t name the area.

i have accepted that our definitions of no go might differ.

Why do you think there is no issue with areas changing so much due to influx of immigrants and lower police numbers that white people won’t go there because of genuine fears for the safety of person and property. These fears based on actual events.

you may not class that ‘no go’ under your definition but why should we turn a blind eye to behaviours in these areas and changes that locals see and experience? Its fucking offensive for people to say these issues don’t exist and haven’t been perpetuated by increases in migrant populations when local people know that this (combined with less police) mean it has.

The local press call this area a ‘no go ‘ area. But this is not good enough for you. Police and council are concerned. Fly tipping and criminal activity has increased dramatically.

But nothing to see here. Yeh right. It’s fucking tragic , a once thriving area , multicultural and full of restaurants that people wanted to go to is now unrecognisable. the reasons for this are multiple, migration is one of them. Denying this is insanity. Telling people they are racist will perpetuate anger. Stop telling people that what they see with their own eyes isn’t true. It’s condescending and the last people it helps is migrants 🙄

We’ve also discussed why your ‘I can’t name it’ is nonsense. Naming it doesn’t say you live in it - in fact it would telly contradict it being a no go area if you did.

So it’s not an area white people can’t go then? It’s a rough and run down area such as cities have always had. And they’ve always moved around a bit too, due to the effects of gentrification and so on.

Edit: thinking back to my childhood in a village which had a coal board estate - the police and local paper used that sort of terminology about the estate. It was mainly miners (white) who had relocated from the North East. They were just new, unknown, and a bit more rough and ready than the average.

Deflection . I’m not engaging any more. There’s no point.

edited to add it’s not even a city 🙄

I’m not deflecting. I’m asking you to demonstrate/prove what you have asserted or else I’ll ignore it as bollocks.
And no other proponent of no go areas has given an actual area either…

@lifeturnsonadime see my edit. Rural village 8n the 60s and 70s.

Whose is then? This country has always offered refuge to displaced people, what’s changed?

I don’t need to name the area for you to address my points.

you know that.

I can’t be bothers to continue. You’re so convinced in your righteousness you refuse to see the harm you do to community adhesion.

Go and do some research on the practicality of seeking asylum in Japan and Korea (the latter is not one country).

You are completely entitled to hold that view. Very few people believe in completely open borders and we all have to draw that line somewhere.

Most countries do accept refugees. Poorer countries are actually more likely to accept them (mostly for geographical reasons)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_refugee_population

The UK has a long history of reticence towards refugees (newspaper clipping is from the Daily Mail, 1938)