Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

I’m sure. You’re the one who likes to ban stuff

You could set up your own site and limit to Labour voters.

I'm not Nigel Farage....

But one thing I think we have to start doing is deporting failed asylum seekers and immigrants that have committed crime.

Quite. It's almost as if it's organised.

I looked at the FT online yesterday - usually the comments are full of educated, reasonable people having polite debates. Suddenly, they're full of hate and posters calling other posters paedophiles because they dare to question whether it's good practice to commission another multi-million pound inquiry into rape gangs when we haven't even implemented the recommendations of the last one. Something very sinister is happening.

The swing to the right is not even my biggest concern.

What happens when (as is likely) they also fail to deliver?

God help us all indeed.

Why are you making this about your posts? I was talking about the thread in general.

You surely have seen the posts from the poster who says, literally, that people who do not have the right level of education or the right opinions should not be allowed to vote? Or that certain political parties should be banned?

Maybe call them out, rather than shoot the messenger.

They only come out to criticise Labour, these tory posters had nothing to say when Truss sent gilt yields from 1.8% to 4.5% and saw the £$ drop to 1.14....

Or when boat crossings hit record highs in 2022 or their failures in Social Care...let alone over CSA .... deathly silence...

I mean, all he has done is shine a light on the failiures, don't see how thats bad.

I reckon they're both shit. There you go.

Good effort to divert on to me... rather than address your own sneery posts...

I ve said i don't agree with banning p/parties....

Now deal with your own behaviors.

"Start", you say - I'd describe it as doing well. It's not biased news - similar links are available from the Telegraph, Times etc if you Google Labour+deport+ offenders, but they're behind a paywall:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/09/home-office-says-record-number-of-asylum-seekers-deported-since-july

You’re no longer surrounded by pro Labour posts, it’ll happen as support drops

Not sure about tone you cite but it’s common on these threads for Labour to complain mn isn’t just for them

It’s a choice though just go for a site that’s limited to same views if that’s what people need.

I'll give you a better question.

Why, given that Reform have no policies, have they galvanised such momentum off the shallow promise of simply asking some of the right questions? Labour could have knocked the wind out of their sails months ago if they had enough confidence in themselves and the working class not to frame their concerns in the terms of the far right.

Which is a bit misleading isn’t it, when he was also in charge when the decision was overturned with his support, the gang in question was prosecuted and he promoted the guy who did the prosecutions so that he could prosecute more gangs.

Making sure you only tell a fraction of the story in order to mislead isn’t telling the truth.

There’s some excellent satire in this thread. But this post is the clear winner.

It’s subtle but hilarious, and makes its point very effectively: the northern working class are so thick that they’re incapable of voting sensibly and we should regard their traditional habit of voting Labour as a sign of abject stupidity.

A brilliant put down of Labour!

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What behaviours?

It is acknowledged that part of the reason Trump won in the US is because the Democrats failed to address the concerns of the electorate. The electorate didn't feel listened to, they felt sneered at.

In the run up to the last UK election many traditionally left wing female voters felt that Starmer and other Labour politicians were sneering at us, or calling our reasonable and lawful views bigoted. Some women went on to vote Tory. I wasn't one of them.

In the run up to Brexit remain (I am a remainer) belittled Brexiteers and literally called them stupid, many still do. Calling them stupid didn't change their vote. Turkey's voting for Christmas comes to mind.

Now we have the provocateur Musk poking the bear here, and rather than accepting that there are issues that people are concerned about (often with good reason) we are being told to ignore the issues because they are 'far right' Starmer even said that.

On this thread we are told that our 'behaviours' are wrong. You are telling me I am behaving badly because I don't agree with you and have said things that piss you off because they are inconvenient.

You don't see at all that responding in the way you do closes down debate. You are entirely tribal. Good luck with that.

But he's not a bad PM. I believe he is a decent principled man

He thinks he is a decent man. He thinks he is principled.

He’s actually more dangerous than any posh Etonian we’ve had in power.

He says he’s the son of a toolmaker and his mum worked in the NHS. That’s irrelevant. He is a privately educated (for free), Cambridge grad, Guildhall attendee, Human Rights Lawyer who was brought up in an affluent Surrey suburb and now lives in one. No one was gang raping kids in his neck of the woods.

He is very dangerous because he has an ideology that he is forcing on everyone and he’s not listening to the public.

A few months back young girls were butchered by a young man who was found to have ISIS training manuals and a deadly toxin in his possessions.

Now, I am actually from around that area. I know someone whose DC was in that class, luckily unhurt. One of my siblings lives in the town the boy is from. Every single one of my relatives, friends there says it is a massive cover up.

Of course, people shouldn’t riot, but underneath this their anger and frustration is not being heard.

As far as I am concerned Starmer has covered up what really happened that day and continues to cover it up. Starmer wants to force his ideology on us, and a national inquiry into the rapes, and the truth about Southport would cause mass outrage, and a demand for change and he wouldn’t be able to push through with his vision for our country.

I absolutely despise Starmer and if it takes Reform to stop him then so be it.

I know you mean well, but this is really othering and patronising.

People in working class communities ( I come from one and worked in deprived communities for many years) are not stupid or inarticulate. They are a mix of regular people, just like you and yours.

The well meaning but insulting and patronising attitude exemplified in this post also drives people to the right.

Don't patronise people respect them, treat them as the serious people with the serious and legitimate concerns they have. That's how to win elections in a democracy.

Don’t be ridiculous. If you want to discuss who promotes undesirable people and their idiotic views let’s start with Elon Musk.

You know full well that's not what I said but carry on hun. From other comments I've seen of yours over time I have no want to engage further with you.

Have a good day.

The unconscious classism and snobbery on this thread iIs breathtaking 😁

It a global vibe shift. Lots of countries are moving to the right politically. It’s been commentated on in the papers. Biden, Scholtz and Trudeau are out. Macron is on his knees. Not so much sinister, as the rejection of net zero, identity politics, mass immigration, etc by other electorates.

He's not a Cambridge grad. So immediately I'd be concerned about the reliability of some of your other information.

Johnson was far more dangerous as PM than Starmer is or could be. I'm relieved every day he is no longer in power.

This is what makes me feel silenced and angry. I will just pretend that the people trafficking and modern slavery directly linked to illegal immigration isn’t happening, that will make it go away!

The flat fire on my street because of overcrowding and badly managed HMOs is nothing to notice.

The UK h as the highest immigration it has ever had 900,000 net immigration a year - under the Tories (Labour has not had time to do much about it yet other than kill off the Rwanda scheme which I did not favour anyway as too expensive). We are now second to the USA only on the planet of immigration. Norway is bigger than the UK but has 5.5m people tour 67m.

Not all of use want the UK to be so crowded. Yet no Government does much about it that works nor gives us a choice on it. Blair saw the biggest increase but the Tories after that have presided over huge numbers coming in.

Obviously as we were the biggest empire the plant has ever had and perhaps the most successful nation ever (other than our ex colony USA which may be pretty good no doubt thanks to our original influence) and more and more people want to come here we are clearly doing an awful lot that is right; but it is just too much - too many people.

There are lots of things any party could do to reduce it but they choose not to do so.

Reform already have traction in most parts of the UK. They have overtaken the Conservative party in terms of full paid up members on Boxing day. Did you know Nigel has over a million young followers on TikTok between the ages of 15 and 17. Watch out at the next election when these are old enough to vote. By comparison Labour inflict NIC tax rises to employers which stops our economy from growth. Reform would reverse this to encourage growth. Reform offers a rise in the threshold for how much you get free from paying tax on before you pay tax on the remainder. Labour by comparison has frozen this threshold until 2028 meaning fiscal drag with more part time and low paid workers getting dragged into paying more tax. Labour supports the 2 child benefit cap. By comparison Reform do not support this 2 child benefit gap recognising children are the future of the workforce. Labour don't want an independent enquiry into child rape gangs. Reform want a full independent inquiry. Labour don't want pensioners to get WFA. Reform would give this WFA back to all pensioners. Labour MP's actively campaigned for illegal immigrants who had a prison record of violence to be allowed to stay and seem happy to pay billions to keep these people in 4* hotels, Reform want to take all illegal immigrants back to the country they crossed from and want the tax payers money to be spent on people from the UK including homeless veterans. People can decide at the next election which policies they prefer.