Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

Blaming the left for the rise of the far right is just like blaming a woman for what she was wearing when she was brutally assaulted. It is nobody’s responsibility but themselves. Nobody makes people vote for Reform or the AFD or the Republican Party, it is the hate inside your heart that allows you to put your name to these political parties.

For years, the left have tried to make a better world for everybody and all that has been spat upon by ungrateful bigots, who look to pour scorn on minorities to soothe their own insecurities.

How dare you point your finger in our direction.

@lifeturnsonadime Well, you would say that but the fact remains that UKIP and now Reform grew in popularity under a Conservative Government.

Trump also.

Apart from one or two posts, saying Reform should be banned - No they shouldn't at all.... the insults seem to come from people like you, with your slurs on more left supporting voters... Superiority Complex indeed...

Don't you think Musk is terrifying?

You literally said some people are too stupid to have a vote.

You literally said that some political parties should not be allowed to exist.

You, whether you wish to accept this or not, are part of the problem for the 'left'.

Brilliant post! 100%

Reform won four seats and it's very easy to say whatever you like when you have no chance of getting in power.

Their manifesto was uncosted nonsense.

Them pesky working class in the North, getting all cocky, having opinions and voting for a party you don’t approve of…Cancel the lot of ‘em!!

Whatever next?!!! 🙄

Not denying this. Some people didn't think the Tories are 'right leaning' enough. The Tories are pretty centrist in many respect.

But Labour supporters sneer at people who don't agree with them.

You don't win minds by doing this.

I think Musk and Farage have a better grasp on people's concerns than Starmer....

Starmer has no ability to "read the room".

It will blow peoples mind to know that I have voted Labour in every election bar the last one when I declined to vote at all due to Labour's position with regards to women's single sex spaces.

I'm just going to leave this here. I can't stand to hate watch another thread where bigoted far left authoritarians scream abuse at anyone who states facts or disagree with them, where those who cannot argue facts attack instead insults and infantile laughter and little snipes, where far left radicals stuff their own words and interpretations down our throats instead of even trying to engage in a discussion or in good faith.

Just can't bear it.

This sort of behaviour is the main reason why Pakistani Muslim rape gangs were allowed to roam free raping tens of thousands of little girls - because far left radical authoritarians simply would not listen and used every slur and abusive tactic in their power to silence those who were trying to speak.

We're so fucked.

Brexit has caused many of the problems here

Brexit was caused almost entirely by concerns around mass migration which were uniformly squashed as “racism” in the years leading up to the referendum. The working classes - I am WC - were affected the most negatively for years, so when the time came to vote they did so in protest, believing/hoping it would mean mass migration would be brought under control. You remember at the time the saying “Not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist, but all racists voted for Brexit”?

The complete refusal to address working classes concerns around mass migration and the impacts it has on our infrastructure is why we are in this position, yet still all over MN there are posters loftily declaring anyone who tries to speak of it as a bigot. We will continue to march relentlessly to the right as a country and all the while the social media left will wail and declare confusion as to how this can be happening.

I voted remain by the way, and would again.

Reform got more than four million votes. Labour only managed to limp in with 9 million out of a possible 46 million. Reform were a new party. They would win in a landslide if an election were called this month. Alright, I'm off, this is all just too bloody depressing.

Believe me if makes me so sad and depressed that I am in this mindset.

Like many people struggling with this issue I live in a historically diverse area (and always have). Me and my neighbours (from all backgrounds) face the same problems and it’s not easy for any of us.

We have a lot of people who have moved into the area for economic reasons. They are not refugees, they want to make money and go home. It’s very hard to live around people who don’t care about the area and have no interest in its development. They will go home so it’s of not a problem for them.

I live around increased crime, litter and anti social behaviour. An increase in HMOs on my street where people do not care how they treat the area. Modern slavery and people trafficking. Children not in school hanging around causing problems. Begging gangs and intimidating behaviour. Homophobic and sexist attitudes towards my children at their school. I wish it wasn’t the case.

No they wouldn't. How many times was Farage rejected as an MP? Labour won over 400 seats, that's a landslide.

If they are at around 25% each then surely the obvious thing is a Labour/ Reform coalition government?

That way, there would be a united stance against Elon Musk, a diminishing chance that the Greens would get in and abolish cars and barbeques, plus if this means the Conservative party evaporates in the shires the world trade in organic pearls will shrink overnight because there would be less people to clutch them. Not everything is as bad as it seems. The world is much more nuanced. As Obama said, "the world is Messi".

All of that just seems to be a decline in British attitudes towards all these things no? We’ve just had 14 years of Tory austerity and people have just gotten meaner and more hateful generally. Don’t think you can blame diversity or immigration on that one.

Another day, another thread criticising Labour (yet remained quiet when Tory's governed).

Another day, another thread complaining about foreigners, and the working class.

Another day.
Another thread.

As you've said, this is an opinion. Evidence to support it isn't in the opinion poll that prompted the thread, which gave a close result not a landslide - records tell us that generally either polls are accurate or show that voters reverted at the last minute to their previous pattern. The voting system that saw Reform get more votes but few seats hasn't changed. Seems premature to me to say they'd get a landslide right now. There's a long way to go, and Nige and Elon have plenty of work to do themselves in translating populist slogans into actual workable ideas, details and policies.

Another day, another thread criticising Labour

You’d really want mn to be free of criticism the current gov? I mean many have issues going by loss of support

Maybe there are closed Labour sites that would do avoid it

Sorry but as you re aware, i'm quite left leaning and i haven't sneered at anyone or called for any p party to be banned.

Tories Centralist?? Are you joking? all the surviving Thatcher era ministers have left the party, as have pretty much all the more moderate ones & the further right they go, the less popular they will become.

However, i do find that the more right leaning posters will use the phrases you use to attempt to belittle others.... such "You on the left have a superiority complex"

What drives people to vote for the far right is hopelessness, poverty, poor health outcomes and the mainstream failing to deliver on change.

As for the OP, the latest polls put Reform between 20% to 24%, Lab 25 to 30%, Tories 20 to 25%

Only one poll showed Reform level with Labour, which considering all that has happened over the last 6 months is remarkable.... the Tories should be out of sight ahead... but under their almost invisible leader, they may go the way of the Liberals in the 1920s.....

Can those on this thread please explain what workable policies Reform have in their manifesto to address the issues facing our country now? Stopping mass migration is clearly their main goal but how do they plan to tackle it? And what do they plan to do about the other social economic and environmental challenges we are facing?
I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me just the main headlines regarding the above.

Good question.

I can understand why Labour supporters feel like six months isn't a long enough shot at the wheel to demonstrate their competence at running the country but, what they fail to acknowledge, is that those who don't have their optimism are waiting on any evidence at all that they won't make things drastically worse.