To think Elon Musk has gone nuts

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What on earth is going on with him. Calling for Nagel Farage to resign. Now wanting the PM to resign amd said we have a tyrannical government. It's all a bit odd.

Not spreading lies?

The sad thing is though that the support for people like him is highest in the places with the least immigration

It's hard to tackle immigration problems in areas that don't actually have much immigration

They are also often areas of high poverty or low opportunities but it seems to me that the blame is put in the wrong place. I would blame the super rich myself - you know people like .. him.. who would rather distract from his enormous hoarding of wealth

This isn't saying there are not sone areas with problems caused by immigration - but it's rather a poor generalisation to think that all the issues would go away and the world would be rosy if we stopped all immigration

I also think that you get more problems with immigration when there is automatic hatred and fear - because then those who do come are less likely to take on and integrate into the British culture and more likely to group together out of fear

I can assure you, I’m far from “fucking stupid” (is this standard language you use when people disagree with you?)

I don't see how this helps anyway. All these threads and posts help Musk as his earnings for X relate to how much attention he and it can get, obviously there are other companies but for X in particular that is what it is trading on.

The pp said they didn't want to just block Musk and delete X but felt they should do something else, what is that (other than mn threads discussing him)?

To be optimistic and find solutions to problems not build walls between people, encourage people to think in extreme ways, pitching people against each other as once that process has began it is incredibly hard to unite people to find a way forward.

As someone who has relentlessly pursued success with his innovations, he must possess a solution driven mind, an optimistic mind i.e a belief that things can be achieved so it seems at odds with his character.

What we've been seeing lately isn't free speech. It's misinformation, exaggeration, incitement, racial/religious hatred. Do you really think the false claims repeatedly made by Tommy Robinson about a 16 year old refugee, that were viewed about 50 million times, were free speech? Do you think the encouragement by the MP's wife to burn down hotels housing asylum seekers was free speech?

I wasn’t that keen to how the Tories mishandled it. But it is Labour in power now. I, and most other people are bored of hearing “well the Tories didn’t sort it”. I doubt Labour have the ability to sort this (or the inclination). They were in power during the riots - Starmer set about ensuring a hard line assault on those same frustrated people. Why did he not say “ we understand people’s frustrations and will work with the communities of those people to better understand the issues they are facing due to immigration”? Why did he keep saying there is no two tier policing (after all the left has been arguing that two tier policing exists for decades). Why is he so reluctant to address the failure of multiculturalism in Britain. Esp in those areas?

Maybe he thinks solutions will only be found if people are pushed and finding a solution becomes a priority.

Begun not "began"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wx9w47p9o

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has said those who cover up or fail to report child sexual abuse could face professional or criminal sanctions under a new offence to be introduced this year.

The proposal was one of 20 recommendations made by Professor Alexis Jay following her seven year inquiry into child sexual abuse, which concluded in 2022.

Cooper said the change would be added to the Crime and Policing Bill this spring.

Victims want action, child abuse inquiry chair says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp836w074gko

Pushed into hating each other, how has that ever helped anything and actually like I posted previously, it is much harder to start again on a united front once you have put all your energy into dividing people who blame each other for their problems.

You’d have wanted a long term approach to an immediate and urgent problem? Is that what you’d have expected or wanted if there was a baying mob trying to burn your house down? Seriously? Starmer did exactly the right thing and showed he was no gutless pushover.

Oh I don’t think so. You seem to be trying to portray immigrants as poor defenceless rabbits huddling together. I suggest you live in an area of poverty and high immigration for a while to prevent such misinformation

I know they are in power no. I am less than convinced by the honesty and seriousness of people who are so vitriolic about Labour (look at some of things you’ve said about Starmer) but never said a word about the Tories. It feels like. They neither knew not cared about this issue then and have just let themselves get wound up by misinformation and shit stirring.
He says there’s no two tier policing because there isn’t. Not as a matter of policy or deliberate intent. Yes, sometimes things go wrong. Changes have been made since those rape gang cases, for example, to make it much harder for yhem to happen again - but people are weak, prejudiced, make mistakes, you can’t remove all issues.
Im not sure what you mean by the failure if multiculturalism. I don’t think it’s a failure. There are failures relating to issues connected with it in some areas sometimes, but overall? No.

Crime and Policing Bill – A bill to improve policing, crack down on anti-social behaviour, tackle knife and retail crime, and provide a stronger response to violence against women and girls.

from the King's speech

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/2024-kings-speech

Ah only you @Feelingathomenow live anywhere near any immigrants?

Some are in fear
And some are thugs
Just like the rest of the population really
And I have seen both thanks for checking

Blimey @DuncinToffee - you mean there’s evidence they didn’t need Elon going off on one to start doing something?

Oh we all know exactly what Starmer is. He has no long term plan, he just wants to instill fear.

I know people in Birmingham who were trapped in their homes by a mob. That mob wouldn’t listen to the police only “community leaders” maybe they should have rolled out a vicar to talk to the other rioters?

Starmer isn’t the one trying to instil fear. And if mobs were trapping people, surely you can see a Swift and hardline response was exactly what was called for?

Oh I moved away because there was no integration, I saw no evidence of fear.

Oh he was, he was making it very clear that people shouldn’t do things he didn’t approve of, he created fear. He is one of the most bullying leaders Britain has ever had.

Precisely. The bloody country was a tinderbox but Starmer should have let it burn apparently. There’s no sense or logic to it.

Perhaps you can accept different people in different areas have a different experience and that your issue was specific to the place you lived then? I’ve lived and worked with various categories of immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers and not had a bad experience. Some are horrible, most are lovely, just like any other group - their ‘not white Christian British’ status didn’t seem to influence this.

You really should back up these claims with some evidence

Eh? What things he disapproved of did he make it clear peiple shouldn’t do? Was it suggesting murdering people in their beds? Cos I’d quite like people who thought that was a good idea to be scared of doing it to be honest.