To think Elon Musk has gone nuts

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What on earth is going on with him. Calling for Nagel Farage to resign. Now wanting the PM to resign amd said we have a tyrannical government. It's all a bit odd.

a quick google will show you all the things she has done. I don’t agree with all of her views, that doesn’t diminish the things she has achieved or is trying to achieve.

"^He was jailed for 18 months for contempt of court for repeating false allegations against a Syrian refugee.

Imagine if his far right numbskulls had killed that Syrian refugee based on Tommy’s lies?^"
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I know. As I said in my post (in response to another post) his conviction it was nothing to do with the riots.

Nobody did kill anyone in response to anything he said though. His conviction was for contempt of court not inciting racial hatred or any similar offence. ^

We can't just shut down views we don't agree with by "imagining" if people used them as the basis to commit violence. Free speech is extremely important in a free society.

It doesn’t matter what you think, her record is a matter of fact not analysis.

This

You're extremely naive if you think either Elon Musk or Tommy Robinson - or Donald Trump for that matter - actually care about free speech. It's just a means to an end for them (and that end is absolutely NOT a free society).

"It is true, as I am sure you know. His Tweets appear in my feed even though they're absolutely not something I would choose to look at. I've blocked him before and yet there they are. Same with a number of other right wing agitators. It's the reason I am not on X - can't be arsed with that tiresome nonsense."

Funny that the block button seems to not work for you unlike everyone else. It works for me fine as does mute and scrolling past.

It's pretty ridiculous that people are accusing me of "fangirling" Elon Musk just because I think he should be able to say things that I and others don't agree with. I'm just a tolerant person who believes in free speech and open discussion.

It’s contempt of court because if you repeat false allegations, you risk the victim’s safety. Tommy’s video of false claims was viewed 47 million times.

Nobody did kill anyone in response to anything he said though. His conviction was for contempt of court not inciting racial hatred or any similar offence.

The boy's lawyers said false allegations made by Robinson had "a devastating effect" on him and his family, who had come to the UK as refugees, forcing them to move home and abandon his education.

But that means nothing to you right?

So when a man of power uses social media to manipulate people into doing things they wouldn't have otherwise, like issue death threats, I should block and ignore?

Isn't ignoring groomers what got us into this mess 15 years ago?

With great power comes great responsibility.

"You're extremely naive if you think either Elon Musk or Tommy Robinson - or Donald Trump for that matter - actually care about free speech."

I never said any of them believe in free speech. Whether they do or not I don't know. I BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH. Me. That's what I have said many times.

Like I said - I'm not on X any more. I've explained why. If you choose not to believe it, that's up to you. Just like I am not convinced by your protestations of love for 'free speech' as your defence for Musk/Robinson. It's a free society (for now) so we can both believe what we like.

Free speech within law? Or outside the law?

"So when a man of power uses social media to manipulate people into doing things they wouldn't have otherwise, like issue death threats,"

Clearly he can't be that powerful- you feel comfortable to say such openly defamatory things about the world's richest man! Where's your evidence? How is he "manipulating" people into making death threats?

That twat.. that's all I can bear to say..

The interesting thing about this thread is the string of accusations and claims against me just because I stood up for free speech. It's really scary that society has become so intolerant and segmented that we can't even have a debate about people being free to say things you don't agree with. We have become so used to echo chambers and censoring things we find uncomfortable. It's unhealthy imo.

No idea why my post was deleted. It seems it’s fine for people to make direct rude and personal comments to me (on past threads), but I can’t make a general one about no one in particular. So again, I like Musk, he seems a decent person with good intentions and morals.

This is the stupidest thread I’ve read in a long time.

"Gone" nuts?? The man's always been nuts, he's just getting worse.

This article was written before the recent craziness, but is very apt - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/20/elon-musk-is-becoming-a-one-man-rogue-state-its-time-we-reined-him-in

My favourite line so far is "he... has been radicalised by his own algorithm and presents himself as Tony Stark, while actually being Dr Evil"

@OneAmberFinch there is a problem indeed and it's not just Muslims/ non whites- that's the bit that really annoys me- I'm very pro Jess by the way many issues relating to this , does a lot of good- I loathe many practices that are common within Muslim culture towards women and children but equally I loathe the kind of views that twats like Andrew Tate spout or some of the stuff pre election that Trump was coming out with and yet very sadly there must be vast amounts who agree with those sentiments or he wouldn't have won- I think the problem is those further to the left ( and I don't mean those like me who think each issue needs to be taken on its own merits) have seemingly adopted an anything goes let's think good of everyone approach that has alienated anyone who dares to think 'that needs looking at'- and rather than adopt a treat everyone equally approach it often looks in their minds like preferential / softly softly treatment for certain sections of society behaving poorly - I for one get fed up of seeing job adverts specifically aimed at certain demographics-my own view is you treat everyone equally but it's best person for the job-otherwise you end up with a load of white ,straight males being disadvantaged against and I don't think that's fair either and actually accentuates those agreeing with Andrew Tate etc -

What has he done that is so great? For instance, what exactly has he done in concrete terms to help the victims of rape and child abuse?

Well, what he should have said, and made clear, is that the abuse scandal and any associated inquiry should be completely free of politicking and point-scoring. All children in our communities deserve to grow up and be educated without being exploited, violated, raped, or murdered regardless of who the perpetrators or victims are.

Keir should have supported an inquiry that is entirely agnostic to party politics and conducted by independent experts who are carefully vetted and supervised.

As a human rights lawyer, he knows that these girls' human rights have been and continue to be violated.

When it comes to trafficking and grooming gangs, children's human rights are violated in multiple, devastating ways. These violations go beyond just the right to education and can affect nearly every aspect of their physical, emotional, and psychological well-being.

A human rights lawyer come Prime Minister who wilfully turns a blind eye to the violation of British children's human rights and who encourages others to do the same is not really fit to be PM.

When it comes to trafficking and grooming gangs, children's human rights are violated in multiple, devastating ways. These violations go beyond just the right to education and can affect nearly every aspect of their physical, emotional, and psychological well-being. Here are some of the key human rights breaches:

1. Right to Protection from Violence (Article 19, UN Convention on the Rights of the Child)

• Trafficking and grooming gangs subject children to physical and sexual abuse, exploitation, and violence. These acts directly violate the child's right to be protected from harm, violence, and abuse, a core principle of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

1. Right to be Free from Exploitation (Article 32, CRC)

• Trafficking involves the exploitation of children for forced labor, sexual exploitation, or other forms of abuse. This directly violates a child’s right to be free from all forms of economic exploitation and work that is harmful to their development.

1. Right to Safety and Security (Article 6, CRC)

• The very act of being trafficked or groomed places children in immediate physical danger, stripping them of their basic right to life, survival, and development. Their safety is compromised when they are subjected to such abuse and neglect, often in conditions of captivity or under constant threat of harm.

1. Right to Family Life (Article 9, CRC)

• Many children who fall victim to grooming or trafficking are separated from their families or communities. In cases of trafficking, children are often taken far from their homes, deprived of parental care, and placed in dangerous, exploitative environments, violating their right to grow up in a supportive and protective family environment.

1. Right to be Heard (Article 12, CRC)

• Children involved in trafficking or grooming often feel silenced, either due to threats of violence or fear of not being believed. Their ability to express their views and have them taken seriously is often suppressed, violating their right to participate in decisions that affect them.

1. Right to Health and Well-Being (Article 24, CRC)

• Children exploited by trafficking gangs often face severe physical and psychological consequences. From sexual abuse and diseases to mental health issues such as trauma, anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), their right to the highest attainable standard of health is fundamentally violated. Many victims also face the long-term impacts of these abuses, which can affect their development and well-being well into adulthood.

1. Right to Education (Article 28, CRC)

• Victims of trafficking or grooming are often kept away from school, either through manipulation, coercion, or threats. This denies them the right to education, which is essential for personal development, social mobility, and protection from further harm. Education is not only a right but also a key mechanism to break the cycle of exploitation and give children the tools to protect themselves in the future.

Good thing we haven’t got a PM like that then, isn’t it?

1. Right to Equal Protection Before the Law (Article 2, CRC)

• Victims of trafficking often face discrimination, both from society and law enforcement. Their status as victims may be overlooked due to prejudice, bias, or a lack of understanding of the complex dynamics of trafficking and grooming. This denies them the right to equal protection under the law and access to justice.

1. Right to Dignity (Article 1, CRC)

• Trafficking and grooming degrade children, reducing them to mere commodities for exploitation. This violates their inherent dignity as human beings. These abuses strip them of their personal autonomy, integrity, and self-worth.

10. Right to Freedom from Slavery and Servitude (Article 8, Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

• Trafficking constitutes a form of modern-day slavery, as children are forced into exploitative situations without their consent. This severe violation of their basic freedom is a direct infringement on their right to be free from slavery and servitude.

11. Right to Privacy (Article 16, CRC)

• In cases of grooming, children’s personal information is often exploited by perpetrators, who use it to manipulate, threaten, and control them. This infringes upon their right to privacy, as their personal space, communications, and identity are violated for exploitative purposes.

12. Right to a Fair Trial and Access to Justice (Article 40, CRC)

• Children who are victims of trafficking or grooming may be denied justice if their cases are mishandled, overlooked, or dismissed by authorities. Victims often struggle to have their voices heard, and perpetrators may evade prosecution, which deprives children of their right to a fair trial and access to justice.

13. Right to Non-Discrimination (Article 2, CRC)

• Trafficking and grooming disproportionately affect marginalized children, including those from disadvantaged socioeconomic backgrounds, minority ethnic groups, or those with disabilities. These children may face additional vulnerabilities, and any failure to address these disparities in protection is a violation of their right to be treated equally, regardless of their background.

@user243245346 I agree with free speech but at the moment we have a heavily slanted media in the UK as I've said - and many people ( particularly older people ( and I'm 63) do indeed think the Mail/Express/sun/Telegraph are reporting fact- where the vast amount is purely 'opinion' - and owned by very wealthy magnates with views pretty far to the right -in the Expresses case not so much so -however Reach ( the owners) don't really have ethics, they just care about their market demographic that buy or follow online as they also own The Mirror .

He's accusing the 'far right', whoever that encompasses. Generally that means anyone who supports the Tories or Reform. So quite a lot of people.