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Fulula the CF who would not go home!!

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AllareNOTwelcome · 06/01/2025 09:04

Please please make me feel better for being such a doormat this weekend!!

Yesterday my friend Fulula* (NR name obvs!) came over at 10am with her 2DC as planned for a post Xmas play date/catchup, now I will admit she has form for not really understanding boundaries but in fairness I’ve kind of put that down to me being less easy going shall we say, I’m a bit of an introvert and so I like to know when things start and end.

She came at 10am and did not leave until 7pm - SEVEN PM!! I just couldn’t get Fulula to F*ck off!!! All hints and even statements such as ‘oh I suppose you’ll need to make a move soon to get dinner started’ she just brushed off with yeh I know, but actually we don’t have any plans for dinner so we can stay of you want 😂

I should have made it clear when planning I suppose but I just never expected her to stay for 9 hours, I was screaming inside - the dinner comment above was made at 5pm and I felt it was too rude to just say - No, no I don’t want you to stay for dinner!

Kids all had a great time though, but I will never have her round again, ever. It was just way too much and Im really down on myself today for just letting it happen.

Has anyone ever had this happen with CFs just completely overstaying, and if so how did you manage it - I’m early 40s and should not be such a people pleaser still surely!

OP posts:
AllareNOTwelcome · 06/01/2025 17:01

@Boardgamedust woah - that is outrageous!! 😮 thank god for your Mum!

OP posts:
theresabluebirdinmyheart · 06/01/2025 17:03

@Boardgamedust i thought it was just me things like that happened to! Genuinely have many similar tales!

Boardgamedust · 06/01/2025 17:04

OVienna · 06/01/2025 16:58

Did you ever find out if she actually had a place to go back to?
What did she say to your mum?

This is not to guilt you, but I am intrigued.

No, I didn't. I have no idea what her work situation was but I did end up as a plus one to a work event so she did have work of some sort!

My Mum told her that she had hugely overstayed her welcome and she needed to go. Then my Mum left. She didnt' say anything at all. But then my Mum left, and I was left to deal with the aftermath which was a lot of crying, guilt tripping, how dare she's, and did I really want her to go and couldn't I tell my Mum she'd just stay another day or so etc etc. This was early afternoon and she said she'd leave soon, didn't, then it was rush hour, then I had to go to the supermarket so she said she'd give me a lift and she pulled over half way there to chew my ear off about it all....

Very strange.

I had been to visit her prior to the whole thing and she lived with her family. Not ideal but she had a perfectly decent house to go and live in.

AllareNOTwelcome · 06/01/2025 17:11

Yes, didn’t realise I hadn’t answered this sorry, they had lunch, snacks mid afternoon in an attempt to chivvy them along as the kids were grumbling and she just wasn’t budging - just looked at me! Then around 17:00 my DS was asking about dinner and similar to the poster with the beer drinking staring Fulula friend, it was an uncomfortable silence that stretched when I said they’d be going home….she didn’t reply, kids went away for a bit and came back so I ended up sticking something in for the all three DC and we had just nibbles, cheese and crackers etc - she did say it would be lovely with a glass of wine but I put my foot down to that little request as I’m sure she’d have settled in for the evening…

Had to get DH to pick us up something on his way home from work as I was starved 😂

OP posts:
Hotflushesandchilblains · 06/01/2025 17:18

Is it hard for some of us to be assertive about asking/getting someone to leave because it's juxtaposed with how you feel about the person? When this happens with family or friends (rather than a hanger on), it feels strange to simultaneously love/like them but be sick of them and want them to leave.

It is uncomfortable when people may not like what you have to say. But tolerating the discomfort and asserting your needs is a basic adult skill. Trying to avoid discomfort at all costs only leads to problems down the road.

honeylulu · 06/01/2025 18:32

AllareNOTwelcome · 06/01/2025 17:11

Yes, didn’t realise I hadn’t answered this sorry, they had lunch, snacks mid afternoon in an attempt to chivvy them along as the kids were grumbling and she just wasn’t budging - just looked at me! Then around 17:00 my DS was asking about dinner and similar to the poster with the beer drinking staring Fulula friend, it was an uncomfortable silence that stretched when I said they’d be going home….she didn’t reply, kids went away for a bit and came back so I ended up sticking something in for the all three DC and we had just nibbles, cheese and crackers etc - she did say it would be lovely with a glass of wine but I put my foot down to that little request as I’m sure she’d have settled in for the evening…

Had to get DH to pick us up something on his way home from work as I was starved 😂

OP! You are far too hospitable! You need to let the food and drink supply dry up commensurately with your goodwill. My husband is like that, when guests aren't shifting and we need to get on or are really tired he keeps opening more wine "as they clearly don't want to go and I didn't want to be rude". Than when they finally do go he moans about how exhausted and fed up he is.

A couple of times I went and had a bath and headed to bed. He didn't do it so much after that! Don't worry about "seeming rude". The thick skinned CFs don't seem to care.

Boardgamedust · 06/01/2025 19:38

I've got one of those too. On a lighter note than my previous post.

Wil pop in for a drink on his way home from the pub which is fine and good, I live alone and am happy fot company. After one or two ill say I'm going to bed or he'll say he's going after this one then he'll see me putting things away, doing 'getting ready for bed' things and THEN he'll ask me for another one. Not to add that I never 'pop in for a drink on my way home' at his, just not practicable so he's had a lot of drinks off me over the years.

OVienna · 06/01/2025 20:10

"It would be lovely with a glass of wine" - WTF? You told her there was no tea. She literally just brazened it out.

What on earth was she avoiding in her own home?

WatcherWatch · 07/01/2025 08:45

Tetchypants · 06/01/2025 12:31

God almighty, why are some of you such drips? Imagine not being to have a mate round in case they overstay!

Either state ahead of the visit that you’re only free until x o’clock, or just tell them you need to get on with stuff.

“do you want another cuppa before you head off?”

You say this but some of these people who overstay REALLY don’t take no for answer even if you DO give them time limits! I used to have a friend who would both randomly turn up at my door and then never leave. I think 11 hours was the longest. After that I did what you say there. I would TELL her I needed to do things so was only free until 4. She’d say sure no problem. Then at 4 I’d say right I need to get on now it’s 4pm. She then said well what is it you need to do? Washing? Cleaning? I’ll just stay here I won’t get in the way. You’re going out? Where? I’ll come along then we’ll go for a drink after. Then if you say no she’d say why though? Why does it matter if I just sit here? Why would you rather be bored at your appointment alone? What are you doing later that means you can’t go for a drink?

LaLatina · 07/01/2025 09:10

WatcherWatch · 07/01/2025 08:45

You say this but some of these people who overstay REALLY don’t take no for answer even if you DO give them time limits! I used to have a friend who would both randomly turn up at my door and then never leave. I think 11 hours was the longest. After that I did what you say there. I would TELL her I needed to do things so was only free until 4. She’d say sure no problem. Then at 4 I’d say right I need to get on now it’s 4pm. She then said well what is it you need to do? Washing? Cleaning? I’ll just stay here I won’t get in the way. You’re going out? Where? I’ll come along then we’ll go for a drink after. Then if you say no she’d say why though? Why does it matter if I just sit here? Why would you rather be bored at your appointment alone? What are you doing later that means you can’t go for a drink?

Surely you just say, like Mr Bennet’, ‘You have delighted me long enough’ and usher her out?

OurDreamLife · 07/01/2025 09:38

When I was in my 20s I had a friend that would still be at my house until 2-3 am when I had to be up at 7am at the latest to get myself and my child ready and out the door. No amount of hints would work.
Now I’m mid 30s I have no problem telling people they have to leave.

Boardgamedust · 07/01/2025 10:48

This one is illustrative of how difficult situations like this can be and how they can perpetually enhance the loneliness of people who may overstay their welcomes because they're lonely and unhappy, as people have mentioned upthread.

If any of you are reading-overstaying might give you a bit more of a fun day for a bit longer but it is not helpful to you long term!

Different friend to previous overstayer, this one invited to stay for three nights. I had all three days off work plus an extra one the day after she'd leave. Said friend doesn't work, and doesn't have much going on in life which I feel is especially relevant. I don't judge her for this, in fact I am sort of envious of it, but anyway...

On the day she was due to leave she was looking at her phone.

'Oh no! X (friend who is meant to pick her up from her local train station) can't pick me up now! My car's broken down!'

I asked why was X picking her up in (friends) car, why can't she pick her up in her own (x's) car?

Apparently because friend's dog was too large to go in X's car and X was looking after dog for the time she was away.

Fine, I guess but surely there's other ways around that? Why does she need to bring the dog when she picks you up?

'Because she's got dog at her house and train station is on the way to my house from hers and It's a long way'.

I had a sneaking feeling that friend was lying, and there was no car issue, she'd decided this tale because she didn't want to leave. She didn't have many friends it seemed, just me and the one picking her up and she'd had a good ol' time.

This was sort of confirmed when my face must've said it all.

As it was, I'd had a nice time having friend to visit but I was also looking forward to her going! This is what some overstayers seem to not 'get' and they'll guilt trip you-throw in politeness and having weak boundaries and it's a disaster.

I was looking forward to having that evening to myself to recharge, and a day off once she'd gone, to refresh myself and relax and get things sorted before returning to work. I had now been robbed of it. And this made me angry! It didn't mean I didn't like this friend nor that I had not enjoyed her company, but I knew how long she was staying and when she was going and that's what I was okay with. She had now stomped all over this boundary.

As this was also not long after previous overstayer friend situation, which this friend knew about and knew how much it had upset me, I was really, really annoyed.

She kept up the pretense that the car situation was real and she'd just have to stay another night, but (I think becuase I was quite quiet and 'all hosted out' -then she began guilt-tripping me that she'd just leave, it was fine, she could spend the night at the train station, she'd be fine on her own there, she was sure X could pick her up the following day (why was she so sure, car issues getting fixed aren't always so simple/timely are they?!)

I since learned that friend doesn't actually drive, or have a car. And the dog, albeit being a huge one, fits fine into X's car. I know she was lying and I am pretty sure she KNOWS I know she was lying.

I think she just wanted to stay longer for reasons mentioned upthread.

-She didn't get to go many places
-It was 'different' being at mine
-I'm a decent host-we'd had good food, good conversation, good wine, nice walks, a nice time-she didn't want to go back home!

The trouble is, it caused a problem between us;

-I was upset that I had been robbed of my 'me time' and day properly off.

-She was upset that I wasn't jumping for joy/delighted to have her company for longer.

-We had to have an awkward conversation of me having to try to tactfully explain why I wasn't delighted-this was just a shame and unnecessary!

-And it was sad-we had had a really good time.

I guess people who are lonely and not busy and don't have a lot going on just simply can't understand that people who work and have busier lives appreciate time, rest and days of doing nothing.

With her, yes she was a decent guest and we'd had fun but that didn't mean I wanted her there forever?

But I was very reluctant to have her back after that.

She did acknowledge that she'd over stayed, on a conversation some months later which to me just was admittance that there was no issue with the car.

My boundaries are better than this now, but it still gets me worried and I still think of this situation whenever I see her. It's a bit unbalanced as we both still do stay with one another a couple of times a year and I know that if I decided to doss at hers for an extra week she would be happy. But much as I love her, that's just not me.

VictorianMother · 07/01/2025 10:51

A good one, for next time (if there is a next time!) is to say you've received a message to phone a relative* in 30/45/(whatever time you think is appropriate) minutes from now and its going to be a long call as you need to provide support/help.

Literally say 'I'm going to have to take the call in my bedroom for privacy and looks like it'll be a long one. I'll help you & the kids to get ready to go, thanks for a lovely catch up". If they ask who you're calling or what it's about just say the person you're supporting doesn't want anyone to know about it.

Bit of a palaver but got me out of a similar situation. If they offer to stay to 'look after kids' or something just say 'that's kind but we're ok, thanks. OK, so what do we need rounded up'.

Next time, either meet outside home or always have something to do at x o'clock. People will be CF if they're allowed to be CF. Don't beat yourself up, happens to a lot of people!

I was actually in a reverse situation where a not close friend invited me and my then 6 month baby over for coffee & chat in the morning (10am). I said around lunchtime thank you for the lovely morning and coffee & chat and I was off to meet another (closer) friend for lunch (who had a young baby same age as mine).

The not so close friend was visibly offended I was leaving after 2 hours for a 'morning coffee catch up' and asked why I was leaving so early as she envisaged us 'lying around on the floor' all afternoon with our young kids😧 I was very polite and also conscious I didn't want to overstay as I didn't know her that well (thought a morning coffee catch up was just that) but she was very curt with me and I never heard from her since!

*insert whatever type of person suits

Boardgamedust · 07/01/2025 10:53

Did anyone experience this as a child, too? I certainly did. I guess it taught me some lessons but it used to baffle me when I'd go to leave a friend's house and the friend would say 'I'll come with you!' so I'd make up an excuse 'Oh, no we're going to my uncle's' 'Well your Mum might let me come with you!'

I guess it comes down to confidence. As described already I didn't ever assume anyone would want my company, I had no confidence growing up, none whatsoever. I guess other kids who were loved and cossetted and affirmed, felt like EVERYONE would love to have them around 😂

Sorry to 'go on' but it is a slow one at work today and this subject does fascinate me.

Vinomummyinlockdown · 07/01/2025 11:36

I had this with a new “friend” when the kids were about 7. OMG she stayed allllllll day! Her kids were annoying AF too. No hints were taken and it wasn’t until my husband came home and said “right shall I drop you home now?” that she got the hint! She was never invited again.

LurkerForLife · 07/01/2025 11:57

Urghhhhhhh I loathe this with a vengeance. My family do this whenever I have them round - stay for hours upon hours and just never leave. In-laws on the other hand have a cuppa, chat for an hour and they’re off - it’s honestly f*cking blissful in comparison and has really highlighted how much I hate the lingering on my side. My husband, DS & I all sit there entertaining ourselves and being ignored 75% of the time whilst they sit with their noses in their phones. I’d find it quite laughable but DS3 is non-verbal and constantly tries to get his nans attention to mo avail. Like why even come over and stay for that long when it doesn’t even seem that you like our company haha strange people and unfortunately I come from a long line of them lol

CheekyRaven · 07/01/2025 12:04

You'll know fir next time (if there's a next time). Set a finsh time in advance of visit.
Put your coat and shoes on as a hint if necessary!!

Boardgamedust · 07/01/2025 12:29

CheeryPlum · 06/01/2025 14:51

Been thinking about this a bit more.

Is it hard for some of us to be assertive about asking/getting someone to leave because it's juxtaposed with how you feel about the person? When this happens with family or friends (rather than a hanger on), it feels strange to simultaneously love/like them but be sick of them and want them to leave.

Maybe some people are more uncomfortable with that contradiction. Especially if the guest don't seem to feel that way. They're happy to keep going forever while you're dying inside. That discomfort might manifest as guilt, making it harder to assert yourself. I feel terrible when I've had enough but they haven't. It feels like I'm being ungrateful for the people I have in my life.

This is definitely how I feel.

With the examples I have given above-I was grateful to friend 1 for coming over while I was struggling-but now I want her gone-that seems an awful thing to do, in my head? Second friend, love her to bits, she's great, but somehow we now have this ill-balanced friendship because she wants more time with me but I don't want more time with her- despite our good bond with one another-I want her to bugger off she wants to stay. Ugh. Minefield.

Emmz1510 · 07/01/2025 12:33

You live and learn OP. You’ll know the next time to set a clear timeframe and have stock phrases ready so there can be doubt she needs to go.
‘do you mind if we wrap this up now? I’ve stuff to do before dinner’. I think I would stand over her till she moved her arse if she still wasnt getting it!

Or better yet, go out somewhere so you can leave when you like.

Tetchypants · 07/01/2025 12:34

WatcherWatch · 07/01/2025 08:45

You say this but some of these people who overstay REALLY don’t take no for answer even if you DO give them time limits! I used to have a friend who would both randomly turn up at my door and then never leave. I think 11 hours was the longest. After that I did what you say there. I would TELL her I needed to do things so was only free until 4. She’d say sure no problem. Then at 4 I’d say right I need to get on now it’s 4pm. She then said well what is it you need to do? Washing? Cleaning? I’ll just stay here I won’t get in the way. You’re going out? Where? I’ll come along then we’ll go for a drink after. Then if you say no she’d say why though? Why does it matter if I just sit here? Why would you rather be bored at your appointment alone? What are you doing later that means you can’t go for a drink?

Honestly, I don’t think I could ever be friends with someone that deranged intense, so fortunately I’ve never been (and hopefully never will be!) in that situation.

NavyTurtle · 07/01/2025 13:36

The amount of people on this site with no backbone is astounding. You know exactly what you should have done.

CheeryPlum · 07/01/2025 14:32

Boardgamedust · 07/01/2025 12:29

This is definitely how I feel.

With the examples I have given above-I was grateful to friend 1 for coming over while I was struggling-but now I want her gone-that seems an awful thing to do, in my head? Second friend, love her to bits, she's great, but somehow we now have this ill-balanced friendship because she wants more time with me but I don't want more time with her- despite our good bond with one another-I want her to bugger off she wants to stay. Ugh. Minefield.

I wonder if introversion and extroversion feed into this. My super extroverted friend cannot have a minute alone. It's torture for her. She has more social activities some days than I have in a month.

I'm very introverted. I'm not shy or antisocial but my time alone is not dead space between social events. I enjoy time alone as much as I enjoy company. When company is unexpectedly extended it eats into my next social arrangement which was time with me. If that makes sense?

I think if an over stayer is someone who doesn't enjoy time alone, it's hard for them to grasp why stealing your time is such a big deal. They might just see it as dead space with no intrinsic value.

LaLatina · 07/01/2025 14:37

CheeryPlum · 07/01/2025 14:32

I wonder if introversion and extroversion feed into this. My super extroverted friend cannot have a minute alone. It's torture for her. She has more social activities some days than I have in a month.

I'm very introverted. I'm not shy or antisocial but my time alone is not dead space between social events. I enjoy time alone as much as I enjoy company. When company is unexpectedly extended it eats into my next social arrangement which was time with me. If that makes sense?

I think if an over stayer is someone who doesn't enjoy time alone, it's hard for them to grasp why stealing your time is such a big deal. They might just see it as dead space with no intrinsic value.

God, those awful extroverts. Not only is the entire world set up for their loud, incessant bubbly conversations, love of socialising, and domination of meetings with their overvalued ideas, now they are literally incapable of spending a single second alone, and regularly show up for nine-hours visits at the houses of their introvert friends who are handicapped by their inability to expel them.

CheeryPlum · 07/01/2025 14:38

LaLatina · 07/01/2025 14:37

God, those awful extroverts. Not only is the entire world set up for their loud, incessant bubbly conversations, love of socialising, and domination of meetings with their overvalued ideas, now they are literally incapable of spending a single second alone, and regularly show up for nine-hours visits at the houses of their introvert friends who are handicapped by their inability to expel them.

Neither is right or wrong. Just different.

BettyBardMacDonald · 07/01/2025 14:41

@Boardgamedust

That's just bizarre. People like her need to find something to do, not be vampires sucking up others' time with crazy tales of woe.