Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

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Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

I would stay off social media as you just got all the extreme views and a lot of bots.

It is a lot worse in other countries. In Germany and France the far-right parties are really far right extreme nationalist parties.

A lot of people think that Reform are far right, but Nigel farage has distanced himself from Tommy Robinson even though Elon Musk praised Tommy Robinson the other day.

Also, one of the main people in Reform is a Muslim which would never happen in France or Germany.

It's not really. I don't see any point in getting worked up about things I can't change.

Me too.

The majority of the country did not vote for labour at all. Only around 33%

Was it Human kind by Tutger Bergman? If not this is very much worth a read. Implies the news is one of the sources of unhappiness/division

Meh, the entire world is going to hell not just the UK. When the climate finally goes kaput we’ll all fry anyways. Or drown.
If I had kids definitely be worried so don’t blame you for that.

Do you know what worries me?

I was on the Victoria line today and noticed big red posters telling passengers that pressing is a sexual offence. These are new and in addition to the posters telling passengers that leering and sexual advances are not wanted.

I worry there is a need for these and it’s obviously escalating.

I worry about London drowning in rubbish. I worry about the fact that there are so many people out there who disregard any form of societal convention.

I worry that antisocial behaviour is now the norm.

I worry about plastic grass and trees being cut down everywhere.

So, quite frankly Elon Musk is the least of my worries.

Is that sarcasm? (it’s difficult to tell online)

@User37482 I absolutely agree with you! This is exactly how I feel.

but do you not think this is all linked? The rhetoric we’re seeing online is feeding these problems which already exist and making them worse.

All these uk bashing posts on here a lately....

So without SM there would be no sexual harassment on the tube?

No rubbish on the streets? No shoplifting?

No. You are trying to shift the existing problems by blaming them on something irrelevant.

Hilarious

That is unbelievable in this day and age regards your brother…..I don’t mean I don’t believe you I do.

I understand your concern, but I think those who support parties such as Reform and the like are a very vocal minority. Unfortunately a lot of people will lap up what Farage tells them without question.
All we can do is teach our children to think critically and not to simply take what a politician (or anyone) says at face value just because they said it.
Look at the recent far right riots - widely criticised, countered and much relief from most of the public when so many of them were jailed, after rioting based on completely false information they'd read online and instantly believed!

I'm not in the uk but yes the hate and division that is happening is scary.

Violence always starts with words. All this hate and division does escalate to violence whether that is that French teacher getting beheaded for being "anti Muslim" after a frenzy of activity online or the pro refugee politician in Germany being killed, or the storming of the Capitol after Trump lost the election.

Between the housing crisis, growing income inequality, the devastating impact of climate change and the level of disinformation out there on the causes of all this. I honestly believe my kids are going to be adults in a more unstable and dangerous world.

Luckily I don't give it too much headspace or I would be very depressed. I must read that positive book.

All the online negativity is helping to drag our country down. I feel quite positive about the future.

And also incorrect

One of the flaws of fptp in action here is that the majority of the electorate who voted actively voted against a Labour government

Pretty telling

You live in (and presumably profit from) a country, but have absolutely no concern for its wider good? Wow, all the integrity of a germ. What a guy 🙄

We've been in the EU for exactly 5 years and want to move back to the UK. Hopefully in the next 2 years. So much drugs, prostitutes, crime, terror attacks not to mention the property, food and gas prices are all unbearable. The salaries are much better but we don't see much for it.

One of the great things about being old is that we have seen bad times before. There is no point being scared about what MIGHT happen. Its about managing your headspace. Address what you can and look for the good.

They are repairing the terrible damage the Tories have done to schools, NHS, councils, and social care.
You have nothing to fear from Labour, only from the Tories (but hopefully they won’t get in for many years).

I told you I don’t have any particular affection for musk, this is a strawman you’ve just set up to knock down. It also completely avoids the point.

You’ve just declared me to be a something something supporter to avoid the actual point. It’s easy to do that, it’s basically. You are a terrible person because I’ve accused you of being aligned with group x with no evidence and thats enough to cast doubt on your character and now anything you say is delegitimised. Lets say I was a Musk supporter (which again I’m not) does that mean my argument is anymore right or wrong. And herein lies the problem what matters more is who is saying it, not what is being said to great swathes of our population.

It is chaotic when so many people are angry and disaffected or scared like the OP.

When we prioritise what seems to be social justice or kindness we can end up doing the exact opposite. Wanting to be kind to a minority in the case of transwomen, or trying to avert stigma of another minority like the Pakistani community because of rape gangs can often lead to basically lying and harm People know they are being lied to by their leaders and institutions.

Politicians know that women don’t have penises and that its a pretty shit idea to put rapists on womens prisons but they did it anyway to look good to the right people and because they had gone so far down a cul de sac of stupid they couldn’t not without admitting that transwomen are men and behave like men. They were willing to put women in danger for it and yes women have been sexually assaulted in womens prisons by men.

Politicians in these towns knew children were being raped but pointing it out would have social and political consequences and they may be branded a wrong un, just like Ann Cryer. So they let the children be raped.

Thats what I’m talking about, when our leaders lie so easily and when we would rather be lied to than deal with the truth the downstream consequences can be pretty bad. Who trusts the police? The politicians? this kind of thing erodes social cohesion and trust. It inflicts a wound on society. The consequences are what you see now. The left ceded the space by prioritising things that do not resonate with people natural sense of justice and fairness, getting bogged down in identity groups and doing the wrong thing because they convince themselves its for the right reason when often it’s just cowardice, fear and the desire to look like you are a moral person, the consequences can be deeply immoral.

I was just going to say similar - I refuse to read anything about Musk or Trump, they shouldn’t been sticking their beaks into UK politics. Trump has 4 years then can never be president again, hopefully it’ll go quickly.

Most people are not terminally on twitter, it’s an amplifier and the more you look at particular content the more you will see. I get loads of animals doing interesting things content and stuff on psychology, sociology and some bits on history. Clean up who you are following, they may be tweeting relentlessly about Musk or Farage etc and thats why you are seeing all this. I rarely see Musk’s tweets because I don’t follow him or many accounts that are political apart from feminists so I also get a lot of gender critical content.