To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

[OneAmberFinch]

There are several other threads about Elon Musk, Labour, Jess Phillips, etc.

I don't want to discuss them in this thread. The other threads keep getting derailed and I just want a place to discuss how absolutely horrifying the new details that emerged this week are.

I knew that there were "grooming gangs" who would entice girls in care or from broken homes to be their "boyfriends" by giving them cigarettes and vapes, for example.

I didn't know that girls as young as 11 were being brutally tortured and raped, that people had been killed over it, including one policeman who arranged for some of the rapists to get off, houses burnt down. I didn't know the details of the violent gang rapes which I won't repeat here but you can find on X.

I'm just genuinely shocked and horrified.

Some of the court transcripts circulating are from 2013. How did I not know?

‘Rubbish. Leon Brittan was white. He was Home Secretary. Even during the 80s he was a well known child abuser and member of a paedophile ring, but it didn’t come out “officially” until after his death’

Fortunately for you, you cannot libel the dead.

Absolutely this.
This fear of calling out specific groups of predatory men from cultures where women and girls are looked down upon and have few rights.

It's a good point, actually, that calling them 'grooming gangs' gives a rather sanitised impression. They are rape and torture gangs.

I wonder if these horrific details have been released now, to further the 'schools keep children safe' agenda that is being pushed in UK media at the moment.

I think the bill restricting automatic right to home ed, is due to be read in parliament this week.

For me as a home ed parent, these kind of news stories just feed into my feelings that I cannot trust systems and agencies to keep my child safe from the evil predators in our society.

I don't think that's true.
Even now the media call them "grooming gangs". A euphamism for public consumption.
Even rape is too mild a term for what was done. I read some of those transcripts on X and I can never unsee the image in my head. The deparivity of those men is beyond my imagination. None of those details were on the news or in the media.

The Leon Brittan allegations were made up by a complete fantasist called Carl Beech. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/10/leon-brittan-widow-intensifies-attack-on-met-over-false-sex-abuse-claims

Was anyone living/working in child protection in West Yorkshire, Wakefield and surrounding areas 20/25 years ago.
It is astounding to me that there hadn’t been any cases reported from that area

It's still going on

My ds works at the hospital of my home town

He never,ever tells me anything to do with the patients of his job (normally)

But,one night he rang me
'Mum,to you know of a girl called xy?'
Me-'no,but I know of a girl called xz'
Him-'thats her'

He went on to tell me that she (at the time about 2/3 years ago) was about 14/15 and had been put into care because her mum had died

The endless string of 'new dads' didn't want to know her,her geandparents where dead,her siblings had all grown up in care themselves and where in no fit state to look after her,so off to a care home she went

She had a 'boyfriend' aged 35-40 and she'd ended up in hospital as he'd battered her so badly,she was in intensive care

She'd been 'paid' with drugs,booze and vapes-her insides where a mess-she'll never have kids herself

Ds had to sling out the 'boyfriend' who was hanging around to make sure she didn't talk once she woke up (if she woke up-she was very ill but thankfully survived)

He came back the following day-he wasn't there out of love for her

I told ds to phone the police and I'd phone ss
I wish I was joking when I say that all we got back was

'Silly girl,she made those lifestyle choices'
'What do you want us to do about this?'
'She's old enough to make her own choices'
'Dating him is her choice'
'If she gets pregnant,we can force her to abort'
'Silly girl'
'We can't monitor who she dates'

Not one person was bothered,nobody thought this was odd,she'd made her choice to sleep with him and they couldn't do anything

The care home where even worse-they where paying him (taxi driver-he made them pay real cash to drive her off to abuse her)/allowing her to go off with him to God knows where

They made no attempt to stop her or even ask why a 35-40 year old bloke was 'dating' a 14/15 year old girl

She got too old for him (she dared to get to 16 and was beaten as a dumping present) and he dumped her-him and the others are still out there-the police know who he and his mares are,but don't give a fuck

That's just one girl,living in a lovely city that many people will have visited and had a lovely time there

Everyone needs to sit up and do something-one girl is one too many but these bastards know they can do anything they like and get away with it

Not all children being raped and passed round were in care
Many came from " good " homes ,with parents trying to get their daughters back ,to get them out of the grasp of these men ,and the parents themselves getting arrested,when going to get their daughters back.
There's are groups of adult males ,who were abusing children.
Throw all the money at it that you like ...and the facts remain the same

Not all of them were in care, at least not at the start. I know of 3 girls this happened to, all 3 lived at home with their parents when the abuse started. 2 of them were subsequently taken into care for their 'safety' and the abuse continued.
The 3rd one is now in her 30s. She was groomed and then raped and abused from the age of 14. She's now addicted to drugs and is still being passed between 3 or 4 men. She thinks they're her boyfriends, when one gets bored of her she's then passed to one of the others. She will not accept that she has been groomed/abused. To her it's just 'normal'.

Yeah the screams of racism really piss me off and the deflection "there's white rapists" too.
So desperate to deny there's a serious problem in the Pakistani community of how they treat women especially non Muslim women.

I mean they treat their own women bad enough Pakistan is a horrific place to be a women but they view non Muslim women as whores and scum.
Imagine if it was your daughter.

If you are trying to make this about Islam please don't.
You can find this with any religious extremism including Christianity.
This is not unique to Islam.
Predatory men can use their religion to sexually abuse.
Look at the Catholic church? Look at some Mormon groups??
It's not unique to Islam. There are plenty of ordinary Muslims who would never dream of doing such a thing.
Just as there are plenty of ordinary Christians who would never do such a thing.. but we accept that and we don't try abd make it about Christianity and ask what we can do to crack down on Catholicism for example??
It's not acceptable to make this about Islam just because it's something strange to you or you don't particularly like that religion.
This is about male predatory violence and let me tell you if you took away the religious aspect of it it wouldn't make a difference. It wouldn't stop these men being predators. They aren't predators because of Islam.

I agree

https://archive.ph/GiOZP

Adding a content warning - extremely upsetting accounts of abuse.

It was fear of being considered racist as the men were Asian. The police thought they should tread carefully because of this. I had a discussion with my DH on this when I pointed out the attitudes certain Asians, Moslem countries have of women and girls. Afghanistaan for instance These attitudes are no different just because the men are in the UK. Those poor, poor girls.

Yes exactly.

Lets not forget Saville who was whiter than white and how the whole system, the BBC, police and government covered up for his crimes ALL his life. His victims were mostly children from vulnerable backgrounds too, or Mohammed Alfayed (owner of Harrods) who despite tons of women going to the police to acuse him of rape he was never prosecuted.

Is there the slightest proof of an organised cover up?

No it's about facts. It's not about a big political point or "racisim". It's about what happened and why. We need to acknowledge it so we can know why something happened in order to prevent it happening again.

This. I was absolutely disgusted by the snide, sneering comments used to dismiss and minimise people's completely valid concerns on the Musk thread the other day. Always 'racism' and 'far right' thrown around to cow people from speaking up. The left has turned its eye from torture and depravity, and we can all see it now. You are not the good guys you think you are.

This is the stuff I have read.
Not older men having sex with teenagers.
Multiple men anally raping a 9 year old.

They were mostly children living in poverty and considered vulnerable. Majority in and out of care situations.. some living with their families but still in vulnerable situations.. a few middle class girls.
These grooming gangs specifically targeted vulnerable girls. So it IS very important to focus on that aspect. Children growing up in care and living in poverty need greater protection.

archive.ph/GiOZP

Yes, and young girls in so-called ‘care’, costing the taxpayer a fortune, a lot more than elite boarding school fees, FGS! - who were allowed to meet these men because it was a ‘lifestyle choice’.

Not to mention all those in authority who failed to take any effective action, out of their spineless, cringing fear of accusations of racism/Islamophobia.

It’s horrendous. I was a social worker in Oldham during 2005-2007 and I raised several,issues to the point of being bullied out of my job. I then came back to Oldham in 2012 working in schools this time and again raised issues that were just brushed under the carpet. It does need a government inquiry as the first just scratched the surface.