To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

[OneAmberFinch]

There are several other threads about Elon Musk, Labour, Jess Phillips, etc.

I don't want to discuss them in this thread. The other threads keep getting derailed and I just want a place to discuss how absolutely horrifying the new details that emerged this week are.

I knew that there were "grooming gangs" who would entice girls in care or from broken homes to be their "boyfriends" by giving them cigarettes and vapes, for example.

I didn't know that girls as young as 11 were being brutally tortured and raped, that people had been killed over it, including one policeman who arranged for some of the rapists to get off, houses burnt down. I didn't know the details of the violent gang rapes which I won't repeat here but you can find on X.

I'm just genuinely shocked and horrified.

Some of the court transcripts circulating are from 2013. How did I not know?

There was a documentary made by Charlie Peters for GB news which gives great insight into the cover up, however i have seen multiple posters state categorically that they will refuse to watch it because it was made via GB news. It’s those kinds of head in the sand responses that have lead to those poor girls experiences being minimised & ignored.

Link for anyone who is interested. Well worth a watch.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=VAGk2mvgBEk

It was covered when men were finally brought to trial. That was over 10 years ago. The attitude towards the girls from SS and the police while these girls were being abused was highlighted at that time. The girls were viewed as out of control rather than as victims.

Seriously, this all came out years ago. Do none of you read newspapers?

So, these people won't watch it because it's GB news, but their preferred sources won't publish it because it doesn't suit their political position.

Voila, the echo chamber remains hermetically sealed.

From 2017

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08r8pvh/three-girls-series-1-episode-1

Some of the most shocking details are new information.

Maggie Oliver was talking about it for years. She was a police officer who went on leave to care for her dying husband. When she arrived back at work, after he had sadly passed, the investigative unit she had been head of had been disbanded. She left the service over it I believe. She’s absolutely brilliant.

Maggie Oliver Foundation:-

www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com

This simply isn’t true. There are plenty of examples of women sexually abusing children. They are not hard to find.

The number of men heavily outweighs the number of women

I think the reason is that nice middle-class people who were lucky to be born into nice, fortunate families think that most people get where they get to because of their own choices, just like they did.

These girls (so the middle classes think) are just girls who made poor choices, and chose to sell sexual access to their bodies for cigarettes or a mobile phone.

Nice middle-class girls wouldn't do that, they have more self respect.

Some girls apparently like having their anus stretched with a pump so 4 men can penetrate their anus at one time. Choicey choices. Sex work is work. It would be rude to slut shame. Sex positivity. Stop being so narrow minded.

Do you mean the accounts of abuse? The testimony given at trial? Did you really need to read every graphic detail before you could summon up some outrage and empathy? These girls were horrifically abused. That’s why many (though not all) the men involved were jailed.

there has been many Investigations into such events. The problem is that the recommendations have not been implemented.

Can we call them "child rape and torture gangs"?

If someone does a bit of shoplifting then murders a man at the bus stop on the way home they are a murderer, not a shoplifter.

These men are child rapists. There are thousands of them. In West Yorks we have MANY police in these gangs - police, councillors and 'community elders' involved in cover ups. It is evil incarnate and have effected hundreds of thousands of poor girls over decades and NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING.

Follow and listen to Maggie Oliver - she is an authority and wise.

And more than 90% of the time when women do it, it because a man wants them to.

Indeed and the abuse is ongoing.

It is true.

Women DO NOT OFFEND AT THE RATE MEN DO.

When women offend it is usually coercion rather than torture imprisonment and gang rape.

Stop talking utter shit on a women's forum.

Statistically, 99% of sexual abuse is carried out by men. I was going to say 98%, but that was the previous figure. The most recent data shows it is 99%.

So yes, occasionally, women carry out these crimes. But the vast, vast majority are perpetrated by men.

Do you mean the accounts of abuse? The testimony given at trial? Did you really need to read every graphic detail before you could summon up some outrage and empathy? These girls were horrifically abused. That’s why many (though not all) the men involved were jailed.

I was the same as the OP though. I thought that what was happening was that young girls from difficult backgrounds or in care were voluntarily entering into these relationships, albeit that they were too young in some cases to legally consent to sex. I knew that police and social workers were turning a bllind eye. It was all bad enough, and the classism was shocking, but I had NO IDEA that there was extreme sexual torture, gang rape, violence, intimidation and murder.

Hang on: you are denying there are gang-controlled areas in the UK to a woman who is telling you she knows there are (/were) because she was there.

I don’t know how old you are, but Belfast was/is riven with gang-controlled areas.

In the present, my home town has just seen a gang murder of teenagers (white on white, if that makes it more palatable to you) over territory.

How are you so sure no such thing exists?

Thank you for sharing

OP did you see what happened when a Telford survivor, Samantha Smith, spoke about her ordeal on GB News?
The police paid her a visit.

Grooming gang' is what they were called but it's much worse, child abuse ring?

The word abuse sounds too tame for what they did.

I am also from West Yorkshire and completely agree with everything you've said.
The naivety of some posters who think that all of this stopped and disappeared once there was an enquiry into it is astounding.
This is still going on, it's a huge problem and it's still being covered up.

Charlie Peters has a story with Sam Ashworth-Hayes in the Telegraph today about how the coverup happened

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/04/grooming-gangs-scandal-cover-up-oldham-telford-rotherham/

(Not sure if the Telegraph is more palatable to people who won't watch GB News but worth a try)

I haven't read any recent news reports about it but was aware of those details having read the reports of the trials at the time. It was well publicised in the papers and I think there were also TV shows about it.