To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

[OneAmberFinch]

There are several other threads about Elon Musk, Labour, Jess Phillips, etc.

I don't want to discuss them in this thread. The other threads keep getting derailed and I just want a place to discuss how absolutely horrifying the new details that emerged this week are.

I knew that there were "grooming gangs" who would entice girls in care or from broken homes to be their "boyfriends" by giving them cigarettes and vapes, for example.

I didn't know that girls as young as 11 were being brutally tortured and raped, that people had been killed over it, including one policeman who arranged for some of the rapists to get off, houses burnt down. I didn't know the details of the violent gang rapes which I won't repeat here but you can find on X.

I'm just genuinely shocked and horrified.

Some of the court transcripts circulating are from 2013. How did I not know?

And which utopian problem-free country do you live in, or are you living on the moon?

Of course it was being reported, no one would have known about it at all otherwise, but very carefully and certainly no indications of the massive scale on which it was taking place. I know this because I have been following and despairing for a decade. In an interview with Charlie Peters he speaks of a court case where multiple Pakistani men were being convicted and sentenced, a huge case, but not one mainstream journalist there at the court to follow it, just him. I think it ended up being reported in a local paper & only then did the BBC follow it up. I'm afraid I can't remember the interview, think was a podcast,

Attitudes, and the language used to describe what was going on, have changed. There's been a massive shift the last 40+ years in how children are treated.

It has been covered selectively. Broadsheets would run multi page coverage post-sentencing but otherwise it has been deliberately obscured. Mainstream media is cowed by the threat of more press regulation post Levinson and so wont want to stir things up. The authorities have allowed it to go on, largely because they are complicit through police, social workers, council officials, etc failure to stop it. The desire to protect the multi-culturalism is also at play.

There is clearly an ethnic angle and I also honestly think our liberal elites think it is fine if certain communities are allowed to get away with rape etc, as long as their community leaders steer the block vote towards them at election time. The children in question also belong to a class for whom police have contempt. Lots of victim blaming.

I read a broadsheet daily as well as several other sources and I had never seen these details. I was at university in 2013 and didn't, tbf.

I've seen a lot of headlines over the years about it being a moral panic though.

I don’t know why people are acting as if other child abuse scandals get the focus that it should. but this one didn’t due to it being Asian men. It was all over the paper around 2016 and beyond. Constantly hear ( usually thick racist) people bringing it up under every and any news piece online

How many have heard of this one which is one of Scotland’s worst ever?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67883859.amp

As a whole society is plagued with sex offenders who target children and vulnerable women and we as a whole - not enough is done about it.

Yes - to try to find out more about the crimes and see if she would help them build a case!

She herself describes them as having interrogated her and tried to scare her into silence.
https://www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-survivor-says-police-interrogated-her-at-doorstep-to-scare-her-into-silence-after-gb-news-interview/336140

Yet more gaslighting of victims I guess?

That’s not a transcript, it’s the sentencing remarks which have always been the public domain. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-r-v-dogar-others.pdf

This. God forbid that people know certain groups have been allowed to prey on our children.

It was well reported at the time of the criminal trials.

Unless one was too young to read/understand at the time I'm surprised the detail of what was done to these girls is news to anyone

I am not in any way shape or form minimising this behaviour and it is repugnant of you to even suggest that. I am in no way ‘keen for this not to be discussed.’ What I am is disgusted.

I’m disgusted at what happened to those girls, I was disgusted at the time it came to light and I’m utterly disgusted at the right wing for using the suffering of these girls, who were repeatedly let down by people who should have stepped in to protect them, to gain political points.

The truth matters. Facts matter. I have no problem with a public enquiry into what happened but I have a huge problem with people reframing history or using the abuse of these girls for political capital.

Our police are a fucking disgrace. I have nothing but contempt for most.

@AncientAndModern1 The sentencing remarks are currently being widely circulated on social media so I wrongly assumed this was what PP was referring to.

I'm aware they've been in the public domain since they were published, they're getting a lot of publicity at present on other platforms however.

What is the point of a public or local investigation? If none of the recommendations are followed? Listen to the latest spectator podcast on this subject

It's because the details were hushed up because the men abusing the girls were brown and the powers that be knew there would be an outcry from the public. If the men had been white it would have been dealt with more severely.

And it's taken a change of government for people to start getting concerned about the implementation of the report. Funny that. 🙄

Its still going on, still nothing being done.A 17 year old girl, passed around by the gangs in Rotherham, repeatedly sold and raped for 5 years. police don't want to know.
The only help she's had is from a women aid, they relocated and housed her.
She was trafficked to Pakistan too.
From a normal family, has autism.

And that doesn’t matter.
The poster said it’s “always” men, which simply isn’t true.
Also abuse on men is even so more downplayed than abuse on women and even fewer men come forward so even the stats we have of women abusers are severely underrepresented.

And the fact that the person in charge of the prosecution (or failure to prosecute) is now our Glorious Prime Minister.

Calling them grooming Gangs downplays it
They are mass child rape gangs

I worked for a Northern police force until twelve years ago, 28 years service in total.
This was happening there a long time ago. I can guarantee it, l handled a lot of the case files.
Thank goodness Maggie Oliver had the guts to say what was going on. She wasn't in my force area, but it certainly wasn't confined to one area.

This is specifically talking about abuse on children not abuse from women onto men which is a entirely different topic

They're all 'brown and mixed race" men, aka; foreigners, because we all know" that British and caucasian men never engage in child abuse.(insert massive sarcastic tone in this space).

See what’s happening? It was very, very clear at the trials exactly who the men were. It was reported at the time.

Was it Winston Marshall? I saw him make the same remarks.