To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

[OneAmberFinch]

There are several other threads about Elon Musk, Labour, Jess Phillips, etc.

I don't want to discuss them in this thread. The other threads keep getting derailed and I just want a place to discuss how absolutely horrifying the new details that emerged this week are.

I knew that there were "grooming gangs" who would entice girls in care or from broken homes to be their "boyfriends" by giving them cigarettes and vapes, for example.

I didn't know that girls as young as 11 were being brutally tortured and raped, that people had been killed over it, including one policeman who arranged for some of the rapists to get off, houses burnt down. I didn't know the details of the violent gang rapes which I won't repeat here but you can find on X.

I'm just genuinely shocked and horrified.

Some of the court transcripts circulating are from 2013. How did I not know?

You outlined what you thought the all the wives of all the Muslim paedophiles were experiencing which appeared to be the experience of a downtrodden traditional Pakistani Muslim wife. I don't know if that's true or not obviously.

Rubbish. One word: Yazidi.

I think that is your projection.

Think you'll find large sums were paid for libellous statements like yours about Leon Brittan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Brittan

What would I google?

Yep because if this was happening to the girls of middle class/rich people there would of been a bigger outcry (when it was first known).
I was a a child in care and to know the girls who should of been protected the most were let down by everyone is horrific!

And still to this day they are being let down.

I was middle class. White. Church family.
No outcry. Groomed. Tortured. Abused.
Shamed into silence. Different issues to those in care perhaps but still swept under the rug.

Prosecutions grooming gangs west yorkshire ? Or any combination of those words

Who shamed you into silence?
Awful and I'm sorry it happened to you.

I know care girls was seen as dirty,cheep,disposable.
And in some respects maybe it and is still is girls/woman being less and men having power.

Even me when I met my now husband some of his family looked down at me as trash.

I don't really think so.

For one thing, I think most people realize even older teen girls in situations like this have limited choices, and limited guidance making good choices, through no fault of their own.

But the reason people pictured these scenarios as middle and older teen girls who were being uncooperative with those trying to guide them, and were therefore exploited by bad men, is because that's what the media stories said.

No one is saying that some men are not scum. But saying no women cause harm or commit crime is just disingenuous.

I read the Serious Case Review on the Oxford case probably a decade ago. So to say it wasn’t reported is egregious.

Just because it’s being talked on X right now - probably by people who were too young, weren’t following the news etc - doesn’t mean that people weren’t discussing it back then. I remember a thread on Digital Spy that I posted on where it was discussed extensively.

People are acting like this happened before social media and that there was some type of media blackout but that’s the type of conspiracy shit that get the far right frothing. There are sentencing remarks, SCRs, news articles about these cases that were and are readily available on the internet.

I’m not trying to diminish what happened, but the info is all out there. But if Elon Musk says it isn’t …

I was sexually assaulted as a child. I am white. I was assaulted by a middle aged white man. This was witnessed by my grandmother. She told me never to tell anyone and that he had done it because I looked old for my age and if anyone found out they'd think I was a slut.
Irish Catholic family if that matters..
But I can quite see women depending abusers. Happens all the time.
In all cultures and religions.

I have reported this post, because it contains false information.

Leon Brittan was not a "well-known" child abuser, neither was he a member of a paedophile ring.

Allegations were made against him during his lifetime by a (now convicted) liar. He was cleared of all charges after his death.

Well done. It's terrible how much damage a fantasist can do to an innocent person's reputation (and to their family).

Been there as a juror on a case of historic child abuse. Too many women put their relationships with terrible men above what is happening to their children.

You see it on the Relationships board as well, depressingly often. Posts about how to keep their man happy and stop him threatening to leave whilst he screams and abuses their children. Quite clearly the posters do not even think they have done anything wrong and deny the effect it is having on their children. CBC. Cock Before Child.

Because they think with their dicks every other minute.

Many of these women will end up being the “reasonable face” of a family that is abusive. In fact they are complicit. By the time or if ever their men end up in court (a rare occurrence for child abuse) you can bet that they will support these beasts. They have already done years of mental gymnastics to keep him so it’s not the stretch some might think.

I’m not trying to diminish what happened, but the info is all out there. But if Elon Musk says it isn’t …

Yes, it's been out there for years, but what with his constant retweeting over the last few days....Elon Musk is the worst thing to happen to X. His bizarre obsession with the UK knows no bounds. I still say he has some underlying resentment that he's not British ....

Sure. I remember those attitudes. But the families of grooming gang members are in court, harassing and heckling the victims. It is nowhere near comparable.

Rape gangs, not "grooming gangs" OP. "Grooming" as the word to describe what these girls went/are going through, is purposefully anodyne. They are rape and torture gangs.

I agree actually - hence the quotes!

I disagree. You obviously haven't lived in the areas referred to in the grooming scandals.

Yes, @ezlo, I do.