What are people doing to their faces?!

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I am mid 30s. Colour my hair, wear makeup, thread my eyebrows etc so not completely natural but my goodness what are people doing to their faces?! Young women who are beautiful now have so much injected into their faces that they cannot move them at all. I was looking back at photos in my mid 20s and was wondering why on earth did I worry about my looks at all. Hindsight is wonderful! And I am despairing that girls younger than this have already started to inject Botox and fillers. The world is going mad and don’t even get me started on weight loss injections for those who are not clinically obese! I have two daughters and really feel so worried for them up.

Agreed, my DH thinks they look hideous

I disagree. She’s not patronising at all, and she certainly does not come across as angry.

I'm not sure it is about men though. It is more about following the celbs and fitting in with the trend. As they say the way young people express their individuality is by being identical to their friends.

No, the men on here are the ones in favour of the women with botoxed faces tottering round on heels that will one day come back to bite them. I’d rather a man see natural beauty that the stuff sold in vials and injected.

I think Brazilian actresses are exceptional on this front: they have procedures and Brazil has a strong culture of plastic surgery and body culture but they manage to make it look natural and it’s all very graceful.

@RampantIvy i am really concerned re the tall lady who wants to be 7st. This is madness and she could have a heart attack. I'm 5'9'' and even when modelling in my teens the lowest weight I registered was 9st 4. This girl is ill and I can tell you she'll end up in hospital. I did and I legitimately met the bmi criteria for WLD.
I suggest someone is facitating this. It's abuse.

There is a woman who lives in my village who is a nurse for one of the injection clinics. I know what she looks like from seeing her on social media, she projects a very glam image.

Recently I ran into her in real life. I had to do a double take but I knew it was her. I don’t mean to be cruel but she is very obviously botched in real life. Her face was so swollen, the skin around her eyes was all puffed out. Kind of like when someone has a bad reaction to a bee sting. It looked incredibly unhealthy, I would be concerned about the interaction with lymph nodes and the immune system. I just felt terribly sorry for her. These women are being sold a lie.

It shouldn’t be legal to do this to someone. The UK is crazy.

Just an add on to that. Brazil has a strong culture of transgender surgery. They operate on under 18s who are British citizens and don't have agency. The infamous doctor at Mermaids took her DC to Brazil.

You can discuss different topics....So many different topics...and with all the things going on in the world people are hand wringing about what women do with their own bodies....oh and you can discuss things without being sanctimonious.

Try it some time.

“As they say the way young people express their individuality is by being identical to their friends”????
With respect (I’m not having a go 🙏) this is a contradiction in terms, how can one be individual whilst being identical 🤔 .
either ways it’s incredibly sad that our young daughters are being encouraged to look like hideous clones

I remember two young lads cheekily calling me “Blondie” as I walked past them in the street. I was incredibly flattered, I am no where near as attractive as she was but it was a real boost to my self esteem at the time.
At no point would I have considered changing my looks to mimic hers though if it had been available.

I actually look more like Amanda Redman, someone who is comfortable with her looks. Although has used Botox as she has aged.

I’m now 60, still blonde, with the help of my wonderful colourist. I was hoping that I would be that beautiful silver colour by now, I find it so elegant, as did so many 20-somethings pre Covid. There is still time.

I tried Botox, but only because one of my colleagues at work (dentist) was introducing it and I wanted to know what it felt like so could reassure patients from experience. It was very subtle, so much so that even DH didn’t notice and he can spot any change. I actually had a brow lift and may well have it done again at some point. Not to prevent wrinkle but to just lift my hooded eyelids. Alternatively I could have blepharoplasty but I don’t fancy the potential complications or if it is overdone.

After surviving breast cancer I’m pretty happy just to be here and realise that aging is a privilege not something to be feared.

I was also blessed with “big lips” which were unfashionable in my 20s and I hated.

Oh aye, how strange. Women, with different opinions, having a discussion about women doing something potentially dangerous to their bodies. Women with daughters, mothers, sisters and nieces who could end up in a very damaging situation. But let's not ever discuss it in case it looks as if we're criticising other women's choices. I don't agree with all the opinions here. I don't even like the tone of some of the posters I agree with. But I'm not about to suggest that they be silenced. If had 16 and 12 year old daughters instead of sons, these treatments would definitely be on my radar as something of concern.

@YourGladSquid You were the one quoting out of context. Why so aggressive?

The problem is you rarely see an untweaked woman aside from an older woman. Even if the youth don't wear make up, the chances are they don't go out with a tash or beard. Those young woman that are brave enough to go au natural tend to make the point with a string hairstyle or tats or dress style.

@daisychain01 Yes, it was written thinking of a perfect 1950s housewife could somehow teleport to modern day - a woman who stayed slim, pinned her hair up for her husband to get back home, always had some bright lipstick and wore sleek but tasteful dresses they would say the same about the modern day average "undone" woman - how could they bleach their hair and make it brittle, why is their skin sallow from having a good (rightful) time drinking on a weekend, how could they let themselves get so overweight, how could they go in public in comfy ugly shoes and dowdy coats(how could they do such things to themselves)

It's hard to articulate but I find the sneering distasteful when there's always someone who will look down their nose at you no matter what you do to yourselves, everyone is coping with something. Before it was lip fillers/botox whatever it was starvation and dieting, some women let men walk all over them - tweaks undeniably come from a place of low self esteem just like those other things but shaming it and scoffing it is just nasty imo and if they were banned tomorrow there'd be something else that women did to feel better/more worthy and if it makes a woman feel better about herself to get turkey teeth or fillers or anything else certain women scoff and look down on then why shouldn't they. I honestly don't think therapy or any other similar tool is any better than doing the procedure they want. It's like telling someone with bad teeth to look at why they want to fix their teeth rather than accepting who they are as a person with bad teeth. They should just be allowed to fix their teeth and get on with it. The worries about other women in society feeling pressured to do the same isn't the individual's problem, their only problem is doing whatever makes them feel better.

That's fine. I feel like the tone was patronising. She said I must be a man for my opinions.

It should be illegal to undertake these procedures on vulnerable people ie those who are disfigured as a result of fillers etc

I don't think I look better.

If I had a DD though I would be worried if she started having a lot of procedures done that she didn't need at a very young age.

Point taken, there’s truth in what you say, thank you

I looked at some school photos from 50 years ago. What a difference so many hair styles and lengths, eyebrows varied, hardly anyone overweight. Now it seems they all must have bleached poker straight hair, identical eyebrows and often the porn star lips. How very sad

Agree with the general gist of this but Susie Green took her son to to the USA for puberty blockers at 12 and to Thailand to be castrated for his 16th birthday. Thailand has a long 'transgender' history too, of course.

@flashspeed of course women should be able to do whatever they want. It would just be great if there wasn't any pressure to conform in that process.

It absolutely doesn't make you a better human being if you are young and attractive. It doesn't make you a better human being that you make an effort to fit in, dress fashionably or look groomed.

That is the reason we need to keep discussing the issue. Being a decent woman is not dependant on how we look.

@Garlicnorth you are correct.
I think when these things are part of your wider family you can get confused!

I truly have no idea what you’re on about.

I didn’t say that Audrey Hepburn was naturally beautiful. I’m pretty sure she didn’t have Botox or fillers though.

Not a doctor. She looked after the computers in a branch of the Citizens Advice Bureau before she started running Mermaids on the back of her experience with her child. She has no scientific or psychological or therapeutic or nursing or medical training at all. And yet she knew better than the medical consensus across the world at the time. She's a very dangerous woman.