Elon Musk and Racism

[raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat]

Inspired by the other long running thread. I keep reading that he tweets and retweets racist comments. Can anyone link any or all of them please? I see tweets over illegal immigration, as opposed to immigration, but not racist?

So instead of opinions please can people post the actual words used or retweeted? Or anything he said in interviews, word for word?

Thanks!

NO ONE is saying that those concerned are right wing.

What we are saying is that the language used by too many people IS racist.

And you - are badly misinformed.

He's not racist . He has heightened the conversation about these south Asian rapists. It needed doing and I'm glad he's doing it

So African children aren’t mining cobalt for Tesla cars?

Well, I have not read the whole bill, but I can tell you that the right to deprive a child of their liberty is really not the answer the problem. Think about problems such inadequate care giving, inadequate professional input. The mind boggles at the potential for abuse and psychological damage.

There are other answers. But this really isn't the answer.

In some cases it is. Not as a standard. But if my 13 year old was leaving the house at 2 in the night to meet her "boyfriend" who was waiting in his car at the top if my drive I absolutely would stop her. If a 13 year old in care is trying to leave then carers were sometimes told they had no right to stop them. Or they would maybe try but they can't get in a physical fight. These were vulnerable teenagers that were desperate to meet their abusers either because they craved love/affection or because they were scared of what would happen if they didn't meet them. Being able to stop them is really important. These are children, not adults. Children need to be deprived of their liberty for their own protection.
Some care givers are abusive. But the answer to that is not "Kids can come and go as they please, because then if they are abused they can just go out."

@raincoatwarmcoatlongcoat Did you read the Jay report or some of the other reports by the way? Because this absolutely was covered!!! The children weren't tiny little things being abducted from their homes against their will. That does not mean (as was implied at the time) that they weren't 100% victims just as much as if they were being dragged out of their houses by the men (and they were very often imprisoned by the men once they had them). They left the houses "of their own accord" because they were being controlled. This is where the misinformation/skewed narrative on Twitter is causing the most problems - its undermining people's understanding of what happened and then you right back to square one where abuse of "street wise" children is ignored because they don't fit the "innocent little children"** stereotype.

**In quote because obviously all 13 year olds are innocent children.

Woke, the African-American English synonym for the General American English word awake, has since the 1930s or earlier been used to refer to awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans, often in the construction stay woke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#:~:text=Woke%2C%20the%20African%2DAmerican%20English,in%20the%20construction%20stay%20woke.

aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke

Originally the term referred to a need to wake up to, and stay ‘woke’ to, the realities of Black people’s place in America and the system designed to keep them down. With the term becoming more mainstream recently it evolved to mean a more general sense of awareness to social injustice against all groups, although it remains closely associated with the Black Lives Matter movement.

To opponents of the social aims of such movements, however, it has become a catch-all term for a certain type of socially liberal ideology they dislike – much as the term ‘political correctness’ can often be.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/35904-what-does-woke-mean-britons

No. I am quite capable of having thoughts and opinions about multiple things, like most people.

In case it escaped you, this thread is about the one capitalist, Musk, hence the comment. I was unaware that it was expected that I list everything else I object to in order to do so.

But near the top of the list would be the people who can do no better than resort to 'whataboutery' in a discussion.

I absolutely agree that 13 year olds should be stopped - but 13 year olds behaving like this is to do with how they have been looked after up to this point - it doesn't happen in a vacuum. There are a lot of other changes which should be made in relation to social care and education and even training of parents, and laws around the sort of things which have led up to 13 year olds behaving like this. A simple law to do with detaining is as i said, likely to have horrific consequences. More joined up thinking is needed. And a total overhaul of social care and education and a lot more funding.

What has been proposed around making stronger laws around trafficking and prostitution and stopping it?

All of this is symptoms of chronic longstanding mismanaged problems. Solutions are possible for all of it.

That doesn't reflect what is happening now though.

I agree that woke meant something different in the past.

Can u please tell me where I said u should be ashamed ? I have no idea where u think ive said it! I said I disliked the argument to say people assume u must be far right to be upset about mass rape like , regular people do not think mass rape is a bad thing when, they obviously do! As u got to be pretty terrible person to not be outraged at rape going on anywhere! Doesn't matter ur political party! So what u said was meaningless and its just a way of right to divide and bring people to their 'side'

But the only issues you listed about Musk are common to many other people. So what makes you dislike Musk

The fact that his character defects may be common to other people is irrelevant. To say it again, the thread is about Musk. I expressed some of the reasons why I dislike Musk. It does not mean I don't dislike other people for the same reasons. Are we only allowed to express completely unique reasons why we don't like Musk in your world?

What are the completely unique qualities, that no-one else on the planet displays, that you like about Musk?

His unique sense of style, surely?

https://i.imgur.com/ZVLa1y0.jpeg

Would post the X link but he has, of course, banned the user for posting it.

What makes it so obvious that they are bots is that instead of posting one message, they keep on arguing. No one would care enough to do that otherwise, only Elon himself

@backtosleepnowplease

"What makes it so obvious that they are bots is that instead of posting one message, they keep on arguing. No one would care enough to do that otherwise, only Elon himself"

What is interesting is that globally there is a political shift to the right (France, Germany, Italy,US).

This is even evident on MN and seems to have taken those on the left somewhat by surprise or in denial hence their only explanation for why this is happening is because of "bots" rather than face up to the changing political landscape.

I think claiming 'bots' is a very weak explanation.

We are definitely seeing posters on these threads who are not typical Mumsnetters though.

There is a political shift to the right because of ineptitude, and the lack of any coherent policy that benefits the country when a so called left wing government is in power.

Take Labour. Who spent years railing against certain policies when the Tories were in, and then turned on a sixpence and implemented the same policies they were railing against just months earlier.

And along with it, jailing people for words and letting actual criminals out onto the streets.

Starmer isn't a leader, he sounds like he is in a middle management meeting and trying to get a snack club started and he wants to be the one in charge of where to get the biscuits from.

Yes, and appear to have joined to either start or post on these threads trashing the government, trashing the UK, lauding disruption, etc etc. I wish MN would clamp down on the bad actor agitator types. Free speech is one thing but deliberately posting on threads to stir up divisiveness is dangerous.

Do you think the far right agitators sit tapping their fingers waiting for women to post on Mumsnet to issue a Far Right Bat Signal?

People are divided on issues, that's the cut and thrust of human existence. What you are wanting is the people you don't agree with to pipe down. Rather than giving a robust argument as to why they are wrong.

They certainly didn't get here through googling for breastfeeding advice or parenting support.

'Do you think the far right agitators sit tapping their fingers waiting for women to post on Mumsnet to issue a Far Right Bat Signal?'

Yup.

'What you are wanting is the people you don't agree with to pipe down. Rather than giving a robust argument as to why they are wrong.'

No, It's the abusive, usually male agitators with their 'fluffy little left wing women' comments and tbh, obnoxious, overblown claims rather than robust, cogent arguments that I find disturbing. All of a sudden there are lots of them about.

There's always been men on here. Men always flock to where women are to wind them up.