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Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:04

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:03

I know someone who was a social worker in one of the areas at the time and when people say there was a cover up and victim blaming they are dead right. According to this person being raped and drugged by a gang of men was a ‘lifestyle choice.’ I’m about as left wing as you can get and I am delighted this is being spoken about because believe me when I say this is still going on today. Unless you would be happy with your 11 year old daughter having her anus stretched to accommodate penises of 4 men then I suggest you shut the fuck up.

Well, I’ve just listened to the radio and I’m really sorry to hear what you’ve just said but they have said there has been multiple enquiries about this stuff so we don’t need anything new. Certainly we don’t need Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk bringing it up because of their far right ideological Interest

Hameth · 03/01/2025 10:04

Dear OP, here is a trigger warning because I'm about to include facts, which isn't perhaps something you are used to.

1/ Starmer actually reopened a prosecution dropped in 2009 foe which 11 were jailed

2/ Starmer rewrote the guidelines for better prosecution of these cases

3/ there was an enquiry two years ago.

Perhaps Elon could get Tommy Robinson to chair an inquiry?

More right wing guff

LuluBlakey1 · 03/01/2025 10:06

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 08:57

Well someone has to shine a light on it & demand a full inquiry. I am happy to see this get so much coverage, I am so angry right now. Girls as young as 10 & 11 drugged & rapes.
Good on Musk for putting the spotlight on England. He has called on King Charles this morning to dissolve government.
As a mother of three girls this is the most shocking & awful tragedy against women in our country. Justice must be provided for every child.

Please do not fall for Elon Musk.He is using this issue to whip up racial hatred and fear in the UK as he has in the US. If we are not careful we will end up with that twat, Farage, in power and his dangerous dunderheads like 30pLee as Home Secretary. They are disgusting and dangerous. Calling on the King to dissolve the government is ludicrous and ignorant and dog whistle politics.

That said, there needs to be a national inquiry and actual action taken over this issue. The last recommendations have been known for two years. The Tories took no action, Labour have now refused to act.

There is a fear about dealing with this issue without causing significant race-related social disorder by muslim men in these communities and by the right whipping up more anti-muslim hatred in the UK. In the meantime, it continues and it is utterly disgusting and disgraceful.

We don't know how to deal with it is the truth- without the above happening and we actually don't know what to do to deal with the men (and the social issues surrounding the girls) to stop it.

It is in many of our towns and cities . We live in the north-east and I know of two families through my job where white, working-class girls have been 'groomed' by men from an area of our biggest city, at 16 left their families and now live in rented flats (provided by these men)in the area of the city where these men live, with other young white working-class women their age (they are all aged over 16 but young). They now consider themselves muslim, are controlled, expected to dress and behave like muslim women, live in a muslim community that accepts this arrangement and it is not questioned . The men, who are older than them, and married with families, live elsewhere and 'visit' . Some of these young women now have children . The two I know think they have made a choice, do not consider themselves 'groomed' and think it is just culturally different to what their families are used to.

There are probably much worse scenarios I am unaware of locally but the point I am making is how difficult it can be to address. It is not as clear cut as we might think.

Police and social services have been involved for a number of years with no action taken that has resulted in being able to stop it. They have taken action but it has been ineffective or weak- it never addresses the issue. There have been groups of men tried and imprisoned in this community for assaults /abuse of younger girls. It has made little difference to it happening.

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:08

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:04

Well, I’ve just listened to the radio and I’m really sorry to hear what you’ve just said but they have said there has been multiple enquiries about this stuff so we don’t need anything new. Certainly we don’t need Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk bringing it up because of their far right ideological Interest

nobody else is talking about it so as much as I loath Elon Musk, if this is what it takes for some men to stop raping girls I support him.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 03/01/2025 10:08

Will Elon then consult with Vance and conclude that poor white girls are available to be abused because of their feckless single parents, those girls would be better off being relocated to good christian couples.

Elon is asking for something that has already happened. What does he really want?

DoingTheBestICan · 03/01/2025 10:09

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 09:59

Well, if you don’t agree with Elon Musk trying to take down this government, then you’re not a traitor so don’t worry about what I say

Is that a thinly veiled threat?

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:09

Hameth · 03/01/2025 10:04

Dear OP, here is a trigger warning because I'm about to include facts, which isn't perhaps something you are used to.

1/ Starmer actually reopened a prosecution dropped in 2009 foe which 11 were jailed

2/ Starmer rewrote the guidelines for better prosecution of these cases

3/ there was an enquiry two years ago.

Perhaps Elon could get Tommy Robinson to chair an inquiry?

More right wing guff

Wanting men to stop being rapists is not right wing guff. This is exactly why girls were allowed to be raped and branded. People were too scared of this bullshit.

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:10

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:08

nobody else is talking about it so as much as I loath Elon Musk, if this is what it takes for some men to stop raping girls I support him.

I feel sorry for you if you really think this is gonna stop men raping women sorry you’re in for a fucking long ride and actually how come he’s happy to sit with people on the American side that literally have right women like Matt gates I’m not sure how you spell his surname who was a proper sexual abuser and even Donald Trump who went to civil court over sexually abusing a woman so I’m really sorry I think you’ve been misled

Bollihobs · 03/01/2025 10:10

tinydynamine · 03/01/2025 08:54

It's the job of the opposition parties to hold the government to account NOT eccentric foreign tycoons.

Yeah, that's the important bit, not that rape gangs targeting children weren't stopped and prosecuted properly. 🤔🙄

Seriously, who cares who holds their feet to the fire over this as long as someone does.

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:10

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IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/01/2025 10:12

BananaNirvana · 03/01/2025 08:57

Of course, because Musk really cares and isn’t just using this as another way to promote his far right policies and get Farage elected.

This horror absolutely needs to be fully investigated but Musk should not be allowed to interfere in UK politics in the way he is doing - he is an incredibly dangerous man.

Well, if the Labour government did the right thing then Musk wouldn't have a voice and Farage would not have any chance of being elected.

People start turning the the far right if they feel that they are being wronged by the other parties.

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:12

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:04

Well, I’ve just listened to the radio and I’m really sorry to hear what you’ve just said but they have said there has been multiple enquiries about this stuff so we don’t need anything new. Certainly we don’t need Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk bringing it up because of their far right ideological Interest

You’re sorry? Sorry that a girl had the skin adjacent to her anus branded with her abuser’s initials? Sorry he used a pump to stretch her anus so he and three of his friends could penetrate her? Sorry he forced a ball into her mouth so she couldn’t scream? Sorry her dad was arrested when he tried to intervene? Sorry the police attended a house with multiple men and two drunk, naked 11 year olds and they arrested the girls?

mrschocolatte · 03/01/2025 10:12

MilitantFawcett · 03/01/2025 10:04

All those calling for a FURTHER inquiry what do you believe this will achieve? Someone mentioned stopping these gangs forming? Musk, Yaxley-Lennon, Farage etc etc have had nearly 20 years to press for change since Ann Cryer (a Labour mp if it matters) first helped bring this to national attention.

A great place to start would be pressuring the govt to implement the recommendations from the 2022 inquiry. Then perhaps someone could look at limiting the ability of violent misogynists and incels from spreading their propaganda on SM.

If only Musk was in a position to do something about that…

What @MilitantFawcett said. With fucking bells on.

Annabella92 · 03/01/2025 10:13

Hameth · 03/01/2025 10:04

Dear OP, here is a trigger warning because I'm about to include facts, which isn't perhaps something you are used to.

1/ Starmer actually reopened a prosecution dropped in 2009 foe which 11 were jailed

2/ Starmer rewrote the guidelines for better prosecution of these cases

3/ there was an enquiry two years ago.

Perhaps Elon could get Tommy Robinson to chair an inquiry?

More right wing guff

Can you provide reliable links for this

Hameth · 03/01/2025 10:14

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:04

Well, I’ve just listened to the radio and I’m really sorry to hear what you’ve just said but they have said there has been multiple enquiries about this stuff so we don’t need anything new. Certainly we don’t need Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk bringing it up because of their far right ideological Interest

Police officers and social workers routinely degrade female reports of violence and abuse regardless of the race/religion of the perpetrator, Eighty women were killed by men last year domestically, mostly by white men. The Rochdale scandal was terrible but it was an act of local ignorance from the local social workers to the local police to the local newspaper which sat on these reports. It was as much about disregarding the victims as it was about the identity of the perpetrators, and the focus needs to be on ensuring victims are heard. I watched that Anna Maxwell Martin drama about the woman and her killer partner and it was the same - being dismissed, being ignored and highlighting the racial element of the perpetrators isn't for the benefit of the women/victims, but for the toxic agenda of these right wingers.

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:14

There shouldn’t be a further enquiry. It’s a waste of time and resources. Stopping the abuse which is currently happening would be better.

Izzy54321 · 03/01/2025 10:14

I personally do not care who is shining a light on these horrific crimes. Our MP’s, Police, local councils and Social Services have ignored, been complicit and let’s face it covered up these ON GOING rape and torture gangs. I read one account going back to 1968 and the youngest I’ve seen was 5 years old. Who cares if it’s Elon Musk or Tommy Robinson the fact remains they are talking about facts about actual crimes, many cities still have these gangs continuing their horrific crimes and if people are upset because it is Elon is the one talking about this give your head a wobble. Don’t allow your personal dislike of a rich man get in the way of the real issue of these grooming, torture and rape gangs. We need to end these gangs and remove these men from the UK.

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:14

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:12

You’re sorry? Sorry that a girl had the skin adjacent to her anus branded with her abuser’s initials? Sorry he used a pump to stretch her anus so he and three of his friends could penetrate her? Sorry he forced a ball into her mouth so she couldn’t scream? Sorry her dad was arrested when he tried to intervene? Sorry the police attended a house with multiple men and two drunk, naked 11 year olds and they arrested the girls?

Could you at least give some sort of trigger warning before you started saying stuff like that because I don’t know if any of that is true? I don’t know if you’ve made that up. I don’t know because I only have your say on that it sounds absolutely disgusting but again there has been multiple fucking enquiries about this. What do you want now? Why do you think Elon Musk is saying this now? There is nothing new that’s going to happen.

DoingTheBestICan · 03/01/2025 10:14

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I assure you that I do not have the reading of a five-year-old, looking back on your posts where you said all traitors should be shot as was done in the past. You posted that if I was not a traitor then I need not worry.

I am going to ignore you now as you are sounding unhinged

Marchitectmummy · 03/01/2025 10:15

Unbelievable so much push back on Elon M and less comments about how outrageous it is that the government are not putting all efforts into investigating this.

Come on, is this really OK are we at that point now whether throwing hate at an American business man is more important than getting justice for young women?

MilitantFawcett · 03/01/2025 10:15

the more I think about this the more awful and cynical Musk’s intervention is. He’s painted the govt into a corner - they’re dammned if they do, dammned if they don’t. His involvement has more or less guaranteed nothing further will happen to prevent more of these cases. But he’s whipped up a nice amount of aggro and division which will no doubt pay off nicely for his chum Farage and distract from Musk’s own deeply unpleasant and dangerous views.

Noteveryoneshouldvote · 03/01/2025 10:15

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 08:50

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14245611/Elon-Musk-Labour-Keir-Starmer-grooming-inquiry.html

Labour seem to be very annoyed. Surely this is a very good thing ?

Has Elon highlighted the endemic child sexual abuse within the church? I'm not sure he has as it doesn't fit his agenda. Wise up

BrickRedLipstick · 03/01/2025 10:16

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:14

Could you at least give some sort of trigger warning before you started saying stuff like that because I don’t know if any of that is true? I don’t know if you’ve made that up. I don’t know because I only have your say on that it sounds absolutely disgusting but again there has been multiple fucking enquiries about this. What do you want now? Why do you think Elon Musk is saying this now? There is nothing new that’s going to happen.

That is all taken directly from the judges’ sentencing remarks. All available to see in the public domain. Don’t you dare try to claim this isn’t true.

Abbyk1980 · 03/01/2025 10:16

Marchitectmummy · 03/01/2025 10:15

Unbelievable so much push back on Elon M and less comments about how outrageous it is that the government are not putting all efforts into investigating this.

Come on, is this really OK are we at that point now whether throwing hate at an American business man is more important than getting justice for young women?

Edited

Even the independent article stated that the labour government back in 2022 the enquiry then

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