Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Son has just told us he is non binary

1000 replies

Chipshopninja · 02/01/2025 19:31

13 years old

Wants us to use they/them

He came out as Bi a a couple of years ago and I was fine with that but this has really hit me hard

I'm terrified that this is going to lead to hormones and surgery.

Don't know why I'm posting tbh but feeling crappy because I didn't handle it well. I cried.

I can't call him my son anymore

He's my only child

Has anyone else been through this?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
7
MarkWithaC · 06/01/2025 14:57

Dandelionsarefree · 06/01/2025 14:38

I have a good friend who is a secondary school teacher for the last 20+ years.
She told me she is absolutely baffled at the amount of kids that are now "identifying" themselves with being non- binary, trans or even other things (she gave me the example of a child identifying with a cat).

She said she is seriously considering to stop teaching as all she wants to do is for the kids to learn maths. She is an amazing teacher, very inspirational. The type of techaer you would love your children to have.
And she has to go with all this nonsense she doesnt agree with because its part of the school policy. I wonder at what point this stuff became a dogma.

Anyway, OP I read your past updates and I have to say you couldn't have done better in my view with your son, showing respect and also guidance. Well done, must be so difficult.

I thought school guidelines had changed post-Cass?

And the cat thing is in part a misconception, as someone above has said.

TheKeatingFive · 06/01/2025 15:27

MarkWithaC · 06/01/2025 14:57

I thought school guidelines had changed post-Cass?

And the cat thing is in part a misconception, as someone above has said.

They'd be well advised to do so. They're leaving themselves wide open for potential lawsuits otherwise.

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 15:34

There is a 14 yr old in our local school who identifies as a cat, the other kids refer to her as a furry. The school pays no notice - except the teacher did read out for mufti day that no ears or tails were allowed! The ridiculousness of it all was not lost on the class. But I do feel for this child who must be the butt of jokes

Thoughtsonallsorts · 06/01/2025 15:45

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 15:34

There is a 14 yr old in our local school who identifies as a cat, the other kids refer to her as a furry. The school pays no notice - except the teacher did read out for mufti day that no ears or tails were allowed! The ridiculousness of it all was not lost on the class. But I do feel for this child who must be the butt of jokes

If this is true (I find it hard to believe)sadly this girl sounds seriously mentally ill & in need of counselling. I'm surprised her parents & the school are not liaising to help her to get the treatment she requires. All very sad.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 06/01/2025 15:54

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/01/2025 12:58

How anyone can read this thread and all your thoughtful, responsible posts and then accuse you of bringing your child misery, defies belief.

It's part of the playbook though, isn't it? Trying to confuse parents, frame normal healthy parenting as abusive and harmful.

A bit similar to trying to get all the useful idiots to lump together middle-aged men who transition (often because they are self confessed AGP) with confused and unhappy teenagers. When these two groups have literally nothing in common.

Any other situation where middle aged men were claiming to be children's 'new glitter family' would rightly be seen with suspicion but too many institutions, including schools, have people whose brains have fallen out and who don't care about child safeguarding.

I would say OP's parenting instincts are spot on. She will know her child best. Interesting isn't it how those promoting the trans agenda say that the child should listen to their inner identity but try and talk parents out of their inner safeguarding instinct.

MiffyBuns · 06/01/2025 15:55

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 15:34

There is a 14 yr old in our local school who identifies as a cat, the other kids refer to her as a furry. The school pays no notice - except the teacher did read out for mufti day that no ears or tails were allowed! The ridiculousness of it all was not lost on the class. But I do feel for this child who must be the butt of jokes

There's one on my Dds school too.

She is allowed to wear her cat ear headband in class.

I have no idea why they allow it. It's quite a woke school.

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 16:00

Thoughtsonallsorts · 06/01/2025 15:45

If this is true (I find it hard to believe)sadly this girl sounds seriously mentally ill & in need of counselling. I'm surprised her parents & the school are not liaising to help her to get the treatment she requires. All very sad.

Sadly, it is true. We don’t know the girl as she is younger but it is a very caring, sensible school so I imagine she is getting the help she needs

MiffyBuns · 06/01/2025 16:10

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 16:00

Sadly, it is true. We don’t know the girl as she is younger but it is a very caring, sensible school so I imagine she is getting the help she needs

Are you in Manchester? Just curious if it's the same girl!

Thoughtsonallsorts · 06/01/2025 16:30

MiffyBuns · 06/01/2025 16:10

Are you in Manchester? Just curious if it's the same girl!

It's schools preaching you can do anything/ be anything culture that is sending children into freefall causing them to become confused & not having a clue who or what they are. If this continues to be a trend in education I'm just grateful my children have left school. The chickens will eventually come home to roost. That's if they aren't already pupils.

justteanbiscuits · 06/01/2025 16:37

I do find it strange that on Mumsnet EVERYONE knows someone / knows someone who knows someone who has a child identifying as a cat at their school.

I'm in London, and amongst kids I've discussed it with, so covering many schools, in some very woke areas, no one actually knows anyone who comes to school identifying as a cat, but everyone has been told about someone at some other school who does.

MiffyBuns · 06/01/2025 16:40

justteanbiscuits · 06/01/2025 16:37

I do find it strange that on Mumsnet EVERYONE knows someone / knows someone who knows someone who has a child identifying as a cat at their school.

I'm in London, and amongst kids I've discussed it with, so covering many schools, in some very woke areas, no one actually knows anyone who comes to school identifying as a cat, but everyone has been told about someone at some other school who does.

Why would I lie about it? She doesn't crawl round on the floor or eat out of a cat bowl at school but she's allowed to wear the ears and DD knows her quite well, she has a cat name but the school don't use that. Just her normal name. And she does things like brings crocheted fish to school and stuff.
It sounds funny but she is a really sweet girl and I think she's autistic and it's just something to hide behind socially.
Nobody is mean to her or bullies her.

justteanbiscuits · 06/01/2025 16:45

MiffyBuns · 06/01/2025 16:40

Why would I lie about it? She doesn't crawl round on the floor or eat out of a cat bowl at school but she's allowed to wear the ears and DD knows her quite well, she has a cat name but the school don't use that. Just her normal name. And she does things like brings crocheted fish to school and stuff.
It sounds funny but she is a really sweet girl and I think she's autistic and it's just something to hide behind socially.
Nobody is mean to her or bullies her.

Oh, some of the reports on here are eating out of bowls at school etc etc etc.

She sounds like my friends autistic daughter who also had a phase of wearing cat ears (though not to school). She is now in a goth phase!

Lostcat · 06/01/2025 16:53

Quite 😂

Lostcat · 06/01/2025 16:56

Lostcat · 06/01/2025 16:53

Quite 😂

My kids like to pretend to be cats when they are playing. Ooo come to think of it , one is wearing a unicorn headband right now. it must be all those woke liberals trying to turn all the children trans!! 😱

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/01/2025 16:58

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 06/01/2025 15:54

It's part of the playbook though, isn't it? Trying to confuse parents, frame normal healthy parenting as abusive and harmful.

A bit similar to trying to get all the useful idiots to lump together middle-aged men who transition (often because they are self confessed AGP) with confused and unhappy teenagers. When these two groups have literally nothing in common.

Any other situation where middle aged men were claiming to be children's 'new glitter family' would rightly be seen with suspicion but too many institutions, including schools, have people whose brains have fallen out and who don't care about child safeguarding.

I would say OP's parenting instincts are spot on. She will know her child best. Interesting isn't it how those promoting the trans agenda say that the child should listen to their inner identity but try and talk parents out of their inner safeguarding instinct.

Excellent post.
Insisting that a parent is a bigoted transphobe if they don't immediately agree with their child that they're the opposite sex or have no sex is standard behaviour. As has been seen on this thread. Along with repeatedly swerving the discussion to adults in order to avoid confronting the dreadful impact this has on children too young to give informed consent .

RavenofEngland · 06/01/2025 17:12

I think i would say that you are happy if they are happy, however to change to using different pronouns will need getting used to and that you might slip up and accidentally use he/him. Explain that this is not meant maliciously but that you will need time to get used to using they/them because you have been using he/him for 13 years. I’m sure they will understand and be happy that you are making the effort. You are effectively reprogramming yourself and until it becomes second nature, you will slip up occasionally.

Winterskyfall · 06/01/2025 17:14

SleeplessInWherever · 04/01/2025 22:08

Oh come off it. We didn’t get rid of it to begin with.

I’m a 35 year old woman who doesn’t wear make up and lives in a “messy bun.” I can’t cook, and whilst I do clean - I hate it.

Society still thinks that’s not representative of “woman.”

Some women, still think that’s not representative of “woman.” The amount of women who say thinks like “it’s so brave to not wear make up, I could never, did you not want children of your own, etc etc.”

Because gender identities exist, separately to sex based fact, and we are still stereotyped off the back of that.

If the whole argument is based around sex being the only basis that we use to identify, and gender being totally dismissed - it’s nonsense from the off IMO.

ETA - perhaps you didn’t. But others have taken a fairly hard approach to how they’d respond, and I question how useful a hardline response would be.

Edited

I don't agree. I don't wear makeup or do anything particular with my hair and I've not received comments about it.

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 17:21

MiffyBuns · 06/01/2025 16:10

Are you in Manchester? Just curious if it's the same girl!

No, not Manchester

Lostcat · 06/01/2025 17:27

Winterskyfall · 06/01/2025 17:14

I don't agree. I don't wear makeup or do anything particular with my hair and I've not received comments about it.

Same. I love a messy bun, rarely wear makeup/ dresses/ skirts, super messy and a crap cook. No one has ever for a moment questioned my gender. Nor have I.

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 17:33

Lostcat · 06/01/2025 16:56

My kids like to pretend to be cats when they are playing. Ooo come to think of it , one is wearing a unicorn headband right now. it must be all those woke liberals trying to turn all the children trans!! 😱

Edited

It’s not like this at all. Although I don’t know the child, it is likely that she is autistic and has taken things too far, most likely because of her online consumption. Neurotypical children know where to draw the line, Neurodiverse children often do not and whilst this trend is now waning in schools, it is mostly neurodiverse children who have still to catch on that it is no longer cool.
As previously mentioned. It is a kind school that does not tolerate bullying and has a number of trans students who are also treated with the same kindness; teachers do not use new names or different pronouns and this does not seem to be causing distress. Some of the students use the new names when addressing these kids, others don’t but it is not causing distress either way.

Winterskyfall · 06/01/2025 17:35

Lostcat · 06/01/2025 17:27

Same. I love a messy bun, rarely wear makeup/ dresses/ skirts, super messy and a crap cook. No one has ever for a moment questioned my gender. Nor have I.

I know, why would I question my own gender because I don't buy into ridiculous stereotypes. I'm comfortable being myself, that doesn't mean I'm suddenly not a woman.

Sortumn · 06/01/2025 17:51

justteanbiscuits · 06/01/2025 16:37

I do find it strange that on Mumsnet EVERYONE knows someone / knows someone who knows someone who has a child identifying as a cat at their school.

I'm in London, and amongst kids I've discussed it with, so covering many schools, in some very woke areas, no one actually knows anyone who comes to school identifying as a cat, but everyone has been told about someone at some other school who does.

I don't, so not everyone.
Although my daughter has a friend who wears some sort of tail and ears from time to time, not to school and I assumed it was a teen fashion choice. A bit like the ironic 2000s tutu.

MiffyBuns · 06/01/2025 18:10

Sortumn · 06/01/2025 17:51

I don't, so not everyone.
Although my daughter has a friend who wears some sort of tail and ears from time to time, not to school and I assumed it was a teen fashion choice. A bit like the ironic 2000s tutu.

A lot of kids seem to be going to the whole emo scene thing again which is quite amusing. And also the 2000s Paris Hilton, velour tracksuit/ Juicy Couture look.

Kalalily · 06/01/2025 18:16

To be perfectly honest, I would much rather my child was identifying as a cat right now as then we could get psychological help without having to worry about whether the therapist was critical or affirmative. And the therapist wouldn’t have to worry about being cancelled or being called phobic.

BreatheAndFocus · 06/01/2025 18:55

Winterskyfall · 06/01/2025 17:14

I don't agree. I don't wear makeup or do anything particular with my hair and I've not received comments about it.

Exactly! And, thinking more on my response earlier, I find comments like this (no make up, messy bun or whatever) quite regressive. So you can’t be a woman if you don’t wear make up? That’s what that commenter was implying.

There’s no one way to be a woman. We can look like we want and we can do what we want. Being a woman isn’t dependent on how feminine someone is.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.