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Son has just told us he is non binary

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Chipshopninja · 02/01/2025 19:31

13 years old

Wants us to use they/them

He came out as Bi a a couple of years ago and I was fine with that but this has really hit me hard

I'm terrified that this is going to lead to hormones and surgery.

Don't know why I'm posting tbh but feeling crappy because I didn't handle it well. I cried.

I can't call him my son anymore

He's my only child

Has anyone else been through this?

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MarkWithaC · 03/01/2025 18:31

starlight889 · 03/01/2025 18:18

Thinking you’re a horse is a lot different and you know it.

You could never be a horse but someone can change their gender. Someone absolutely can be a sexuality that isn’t straight.

Yes, obviously someone can be a sexuality that isn’t straight Hmm That's what happened when the OP's son told her he was bi.

That has nothing to do with 'gender', which is just ideas, or cliches, or stereotypes, about what male people look like/do/wear etc and what female people /look like/do/wear etc.

SemperIdem · 03/01/2025 18:32

starlight889 · 03/01/2025 18:27

Why would you think that? There are many people who were biologically male at birth who have successfully transitioned to female with things like surgery and medication.

Unless I have misunderstood what you were trying to say?

They haven’t though have they. Because they cannot.

Which is why transwomen competing with women in sport is so controversial. Because it is biological men taking space they neither belong nor can safely participate in, much of the time.

rosieant · 03/01/2025 18:33

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user1471516498 · 03/01/2025 18:35

I knew that I was attracted to boys and girls by the time I was 11, in 1985. Obviously no internet back then, and lots of hobbies, but I was still bisexual. I didn't know the word, I just knew I was "wrong" and it made me miserable. I never told anybody, because it was Teesside in the 80's and the stigma was huge. It didn't stop the other kids at school picking up that I was different, and because it was the 80's, I was known as the AIDS spreader, and my life was made hell. And once section 28 came in, teachers then just watched all this happening and didn't intervene.
This still didn't turn me straight. So responding to your child confiding in you about his sexuality by punishment (he will perceive cutting off his internet access as punishment even though it is not your intention) will only make sure he never confides in you again. This is what "don't tell anyone about your sexuality, it is just attention seeking" actually achieves.
I know that non binary was the focus of the thread, but somehow bisexuality seems to be being conflated with it by some people.

ThisIcyHare · 03/01/2025 18:37

Chipshopninja · 02/01/2025 20:29

Possibly bullying but not that I'm aware of

He has never been a "typical boy". Has been dancing from a young age and does performing arts. Never liked football etc etc.

No neurodiversity

No problems at home etc

My husband was never into sports, liked tennis but wasn’t a ‘lad’. Did acting/musical theatre/music. Loads of straight guys are the same.

just ignore and don’t make a thing of it and it might go away as he matures. 11 is crazy young to come out as bi, 13 is crazy young to decide to be non binary. He might grow out of it, but if not, whatever, that’s for the future!

nellythe · 03/01/2025 18:38

user1471516498 · 03/01/2025 18:35

I knew that I was attracted to boys and girls by the time I was 11, in 1985. Obviously no internet back then, and lots of hobbies, but I was still bisexual. I didn't know the word, I just knew I was "wrong" and it made me miserable. I never told anybody, because it was Teesside in the 80's and the stigma was huge. It didn't stop the other kids at school picking up that I was different, and because it was the 80's, I was known as the AIDS spreader, and my life was made hell. And once section 28 came in, teachers then just watched all this happening and didn't intervene.
This still didn't turn me straight. So responding to your child confiding in you about his sexuality by punishment (he will perceive cutting off his internet access as punishment even though it is not your intention) will only make sure he never confides in you again. This is what "don't tell anyone about your sexuality, it is just attention seeking" actually achieves.
I know that non binary was the focus of the thread, but somehow bisexuality seems to be being conflated with it by some people.

Actually, I think that most people conflating the two topics are the ones busy trying to pretend other people are ‘transphobic’.
Most people, myself included, absolutely see that sexuality is an obvious reality. A third gender, or changing gender, is simply not.
I’m so sorry you had such a shit time.

DameMaud · 03/01/2025 18:39

SomethingElseAgain · 02/01/2025 21:24

For what it's worth, OP, I think there's something in the idea of calmly holding the line and I think you've done well to kindly but firmly say that you're not entering into this whole pronoun eggshell-walking while keeping the lines open with him.

Children really need their parents to firmly but kindly hold the boundaries of safety - but also reason and sanity - for them. Just like the transition phase of toddlerhood, a teenager getting the sense that there is no firm ground for them to stand on because the adults themselves are uncertain, unstable or frankly just a bit wet is quite terrifying. There's obviously a big difference between giving them a bit more freedom autonomy as they grow up vs effectively shrugging shoulders and saying, "sorry, child, I don't really know what to do and I'm a bit scared of your/society's opinion and reaction anyway, so you'd better be in charge and decide for yourself."

I do see a lot of parents these days who really do seem so unsure of themselves and slightly afraid of their children's reactions, as though they have no self-confidence that they know how to cope with them. Or they seem to know that they don't want to be shouty and unengaged like their own parents but haven't found a happy sweet spot (confident, kind leadership!) between that and permissive parenting.

It sounds like you're walking a good line now you've had time to think about it and not getting drawn into arguments about this either. Good for you. Good luck.

Agree that the school need to be set straight as well. Unless they seriously think that you pose a safeguarding risk to your child - in which case social services should have been involved - there is absolutely no excuse for them keeping this from you.

They are also not medical professionals and it has been established that "social transitioning" is not a neutral act. Therefore I would also be asking them on what medical advice, specific to your child, they were acting when doing this (and how they had gone about obtaining it without your involvement). The answer will be that they had none, in which case their administering this "treatment" in school without your knowledge is completely outside the bounds of professionalism and acceptability.

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This is an excellent, wise, and compassionate response to the OP.
Was thinking how to write my own, but couldn't put it better than this.
Hope you find it reassuring and strengthening OP.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 03/01/2025 18:42

It would seem to be a fashion at the moment, and if it’s going to upset your parents, or piss them off, that’s likely to be a plus for 13 year olds. I know someone whose Gdd (13 or 14) announced some time ago that she was now a boy, and was to be called some daft name I can’t remember now. Jupiter or Mars or something.
The parents just said OK then (or similar) and it did eventually die the death.

LifesTooShortForYourNonsense · 03/01/2025 18:42

Be supportive, respect their wish - they will remember your support as they grow whatever they finally choose. Your child to love no matter what, that will never change.

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Vynalbob · 03/01/2025 18:44

This is a weird thread, parents refer to their kids by name. Just accept and move on, either it's a phase and will dwindle or it's their life. The only person capable of losing your child is you....and your reactions.
My guess is it often boils down to respect....kids are people (yeah not grown adults but still individuals)......you may end up causing what you seem to fear most.

CIaudiasFringe · 03/01/2025 18:46

Chipshopninja · 02/01/2025 19:36

Too late for the "OK what's for dinner" response. Excellent idea but I've already messed that bit up.

Unfortunately school have been going along with this for months and not told us.

Jesus H Christ. I would be furious with the school for this! How dare they!

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Chipshopninja · 02/01/2025 19:36

Too late for the "OK what's for dinner" response. Excellent idea but I've already messed that bit up.

Unfortunately school have been going along with this for months and not told us.

complain to school and insist that they explain themselves. Check out Genspect and Transgender Trend for advice

Chipshopninja · 03/01/2025 18:47

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Yes he did

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Chipshopninja · 03/01/2025 18:49

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Of course we are discussing it!

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Georgyporky · 03/01/2025 18:51

They/them is plural .

If neither he nor she is acceptable, surely the correct word is "it" ?

Wordau · 03/01/2025 18:52

Knowitall69 · 02/01/2025 20:35

Bullshit.

Nothing but a HUGE dose of reality is needed in this case.

BOY, SON, MALE, MAN, HIM

They are NOT dirty words.

Use them and ignore ANYONE who tries to police your language.

I'm not saying they're dirty words.

I am saying that going too hard against your child in something like this may only push them away.

Delphinium20 · 03/01/2025 18:53

Mermaidrone · 03/01/2025 07:01

I checked with her first and while she wasn't going to do it, she was happy for us to.

Not everyone is the same!

Fair enough! It's good you asked. I have loads of friends of kids going through this and the amount of 'cool aunts/uncles/exes' who override parental decisions makes their lives tough. They are already battling the schools, so I feel bad when their family thinks they know better.

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ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 03/01/2025 18:53

WickedlyCharmed · 02/01/2025 19:57

Are you aware of how much time he’s spending online and what he’s accessing?

I’d be swapping his smartphone for a basic call and text only type phone, switching the WiFi off and only allowing him online under direct supervision for the purposes of doing homework.

My first thought would be where this is coming from.

CautiousCrafty · 03/01/2025 18:54

MarkWithaC · 03/01/2025 18:17

I used to pretend to be a horse when I was a kid. I badly wanted to be a horse. My parents didn't discourage me or try to knock it out of me, but neither did they talk to me or act with me as if I was a horse.
At some point I grew out of it. Our relationship did not 'break down' and I didn't and don't feel 'let down'.
Stop making threats and scaremongering.

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It’s hardly threats and scaremongering.

What is more scary to me is not supporting my child when they want to be listened to.

At this moment they’re not asking anything other than to use they/them.

who would it hurt the most to not do that?

popeydokey · 03/01/2025 18:54

Georgyporky · 03/01/2025 18:51

They/them is plural .

If neither he nor she is acceptable, surely the correct word is "it" ?

Have you never heard of "they" or "them" being used to describe a person whose sex isn't known? It's not plural then.

That's irrelevant anyway - the question is what makes an NB person different from literally any other male or female person who has a unique personality that doesn't somehow "match" a body type?

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Chipshopninja · 03/01/2025 18:55

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He's much more relaxed about the whole thing than me. Says its either a phase or it isn't. He isn't going to do the new pronouns either though.

No i posted last night

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