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Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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Perzival · 01/01/2025 23:45

I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Labour REJECTS Oldham's call for Government inquiry into grooming gangs scandal

Safeguarding Minister Jess Phillips has said Oldham should 'take its own approach' instead

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

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Menopausalsourpuss · 02/01/2025 16:58

MyDeafEar · 02/01/2025 16:54

Oh my beloved guardian of yore. Not any more. They loathe working class communities.

Yes I agree with that, just like the Labour Party are no longer the party of the working class as it has been colonised by the smug, superior middle classes. That is why I have been saying for years that we need new parties as both Labour and the Tories are no longer fit for purpose as have both been colonised by the aforementioned.

OneLemonDog · 02/01/2025 17:04

No, I'm not saying that people wouldn't care about the rape of young girls were it not for Musk, Farage etc. I think that's quite an unfair characterization of my posts.

But yes, I do think some people are being influenced with regards to whether, specifically, a Home Office led inquiry in Oldham is the essential next step, and I fully expect that Musk (or whoever) could have peddled a "the time for inquiries is over, the time for action is now" angle had a fresh inquiry been ordered.

Edit, sorry, that's to @Totallymessed

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2025 17:13

Jumpingthruhoops · 02/01/2025 16:57

Might have something to do with the fact that her boss, Kier Starmer, was in charge of the CPS when it all came to light.

He wasn’t. Prosecutions had already started when he became DPP and continued throughout his term.

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime/

No evidence Keir Starmer tried to block the prosecution of Muslim grooming gangs - Full Fact

Widely-shared posts on Facebook make an unsubstantiated claim about Mr Starmer’s work for the Crown Prosecution Service.

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 02/01/2025 17:13

@OneLemonDog

It started with abhorrent dirty men choosing to target groom and attack young girls.

OneLemonDog · 02/01/2025 17:18

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 02/01/2025 17:13

@OneLemonDog

It started with abhorrent dirty men choosing to target groom and attack young girls.

Is anyone saying different? I'm certainly not.

D23456789 · 02/01/2025 17:22

Menopausalsourpuss · 02/01/2025 16:58

Yes I agree with that, just like the Labour Party are no longer the party of the working class as it has been colonised by the smug, superior middle classes. That is why I have been saying for years that we need new parties as both Labour and the Tories are no longer fit for purpose as have both been colonised by the aforementioned.

I agree though the irony of KS describing himself as working class to appeal to the working class pre-election is not lost on me. I think many people are starting to see through this facade now, hence his decline in popularity and a move to reform. Whether the LP can turn things round, I don't know but I'm not holding my breath and I worry about where we're heading at the next GE. For now I'm politically homeless.

Menopausalsourpuss · 02/01/2025 17:32

D23456789 · 02/01/2025 17:22

I agree though the irony of KS describing himself as working class to appeal to the working class pre-election is not lost on me. I think many people are starting to see through this facade now, hence his decline in popularity and a move to reform. Whether the LP can turn things round, I don't know but I'm not holding my breath and I worry about where we're heading at the next GE. For now I'm politically homeless.

Not sure why you're worried, imo getting rid of labour and tories will be a good thing. They have led this country into a bad place over the past 20 years, as someone older i remember the 80s/90s which were much better and people were happier (although of course that is not all down to politics as I believe the Internet has alot to answer for!).

stuckdownahole · 02/01/2025 17:33

OneAmberFinch · 02/01/2025 13:06

I think the reason it is being suppressed is because it would make the Southport riots look like child's play if people read the details and realised the sheer horror of it.

I even think "child rape gangs" might not go far enough. "Child vicious-torture gangs" perhaps?

If Starmer and Labour don't want this to fall into the far right's hands they have an easy solution, announce immediate prosecutions and deportations.

To be clear: I think everyone who has tried to be a whistleblower on this since the early 2000s is a hero. This should get as much press time from the mainstream press as the infected blood scandal, Post Office, Grenfell etc. And acknowledged by Starmer when he lists scandals where victims have been denied justice.

The way that it was covered in the press at the time, it sounded like groups of creepy men convincing poorly educated low-class girls with few prospects in life to exchange sexual favours for booze and drugs. Unsettling, but not unprecedented. There's a scene in the teen film "Kidulthood" (2006) where Jaime Winston's character offers a drug dealer oral sex for money and that's the image I had.

The reality is so much worse. As you say, it was torture, not sex.

After the Southport riots, a woman with no previous received a 15 month sentence because she posted "burn down the mosque" on a local community Facebook group with 5,000 members. Others received similarly tough sentences. The government had to release existing prisoners early to create space for people like her and those who actively participated in the rioting.

If the full extent of these rape gangs in various towns, and perhaps any connections that may exist between them, were revealed, there would be howling fury at the communities that these men come from. It's not an exaggeration to say they would be viewed as invaders.

There won't be enough room to imprison those who would take to the streets, let alone the thousands who encourage them with "burn down the mosque" and similar sentiments. We would be in serious danger of war breaking out between the white population and Islam. I think Elon Musk would love this.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 02/01/2025 17:33

Evan Davies on about this now on Radio 4!

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 02/01/2025 17:35

Thousands of girls raped over many years and authorities did not act as they were worried about “community relations?”

Aren’t girls part of the community?

Annabella92 · 02/01/2025 17:35

Atissues · 01/01/2025 23:59

It’s disgraceful that Jess Phillips won’t investigate.

I think she should investigate all the child rape gangs as many towns were affected. Do we know whether the gang raping of children is still going on?

I am impressed that GB news have covered this issue as I can’t see this on other media outlets. Why are the others not covering it? So many girls were abused it is a national scandal, her refusal to investigate should be headline news.

"Why are the others not covering it?"

Keep asking this question. Don't stop asking it.

OneAmberFinch · 02/01/2025 17:43

Alexandra2001 · 02/01/2025 16:33

Ummm who has been in power whilst the likes of Reform and before them, Ukip gained prominence?

The Tory party over the last few years, has been the most right wing version of it ever, yet the further the Tories went to the right, the more popular Reform became.

Its lazy to blame the party that has been in opposition for the rise of the far right, who quite frankly, don't have any solutions either.

If its about trails, justice, prevention etc etc, i would suggest that cuts to court services and police numbers by, Governments over many years, has had the greatest impact on peoples attitudes.

It should also be remembered that Reform have just 5 MPs and are on 20% in the polls.

Do you mean the Tory party which presided over the largest immigration flows, both legal and illegal, Britain has ever seen? Literally millions over the past few years? From increasingly culturally-different countries? That "most right-wing ever" Tory party?

They talked right and governed left. And, yes you're right, governed incompetently in several cases.

Anyone drawing conclusions on what the right wing is thinking/doing based on the actions of the Conservative Party 2019-2024 is reading the wrong tea leaves.

Barbadossunset · 02/01/2025 17:43

Why are the others not covering it?

I guess for the reasons treesquirrel gives upthread.

stuckdownahole · 02/01/2025 17:53

OneAmberFinch · 02/01/2025 17:43

Do you mean the Tory party which presided over the largest immigration flows, both legal and illegal, Britain has ever seen? Literally millions over the past few years? From increasingly culturally-different countries? That "most right-wing ever" Tory party?

They talked right and governed left. And, yes you're right, governed incompetently in several cases.

Anyone drawing conclusions on what the right wing is thinking/doing based on the actions of the Conservative Party 2019-2024 is reading the wrong tea leaves.

To add to that, between 2010 - 2019 the government was led first by David Cameron, then Theresa May, two politicians firmly on the left of the Tory party.

Mrsmounjaro · 02/01/2025 18:02

stonejam · 02/01/2025 14:10

Musk is a massive instagtor of causing trouble. I find it strange that X is full of racists these last few weeks and turning more and more far right in their views. and very innocent majority are going to pay for a horrible minority deprived Asian grooming gang. It’s almost like wants to start trouble and wanting Tommy Robinson freed. Laurence fox and his equally hateful priest friend Calvin Robinson are causing racial bait again. They want trouble. From the tweets I’ve seen many don’t care about the innocent girls just spewing out hateful at all Muslims. Targeting a certain group. Where do we draw the line with these people ? Justice must be done and cover up exposed but I’m seeing a lot of hate and racism on there too

Edited

As was said in the gb film- the use of the word asian is to broad- lets call them what they were- pakistani muslim men.

MyDeafEar · 02/01/2025 18:19

Menopausalsourpuss · 02/01/2025 17:32

Not sure why you're worried, imo getting rid of labour and tories will be a good thing. They have led this country into a bad place over the past 20 years, as someone older i remember the 80s/90s which were much better and people were happier (although of course that is not all down to politics as I believe the Internet has alot to answer for!).

I agree with you - as an old time now ex Labour supporter, I should be horrified at the prospect of an alternative sweeping into power. But, honestly what's the worst that can happen?

Upstartled · 02/01/2025 18:28

Well they are completely inexperienced at governance and will have promised a lot to get into power, if that is even possible. But the real world brakes and levers- financial constraints, geopolitics, civil services, banks, glacial moving institutions won't bend to that will. It'd be a nightmare.

It'd be much easier if either of the established parties would come to their senses and accept that the concerns of the electorate need to play a working part in how they build policy and achieve a cohesive and stable society.

Totallymessed · 02/01/2025 18:28

Bloody hell. It's become obvious over the past few years that misogyny is as rife on the left as the right, but I'm actually shocked at people (mostly women, presumably) thinking this should be brushed away because it's (god forbid) someone on the right of the spectrum highlighting what is going on.

To those posters I would just like to say: taking the rape of girls seriously should not be a party political issue.

What the actual fuck is going on with people?

rainingsnoring · 02/01/2025 18:29

MyDeafEar · 02/01/2025 18:19

I agree with you - as an old time now ex Labour supporter, I should be horrified at the prospect of an alternative sweeping into power. But, honestly what's the worst that can happen?

Things can definitely get worse as well as better. Reform's policies, as they stand currently, are not realistic and will definitely not help the hoards of working class men and women who now support them. Farage and Tice are very far from being working class leaders as Labour were in previous times; they are both from wealthy families and were privately educated at top schools. Farage is an effective populist politician, taking full advantage of the massive power vacuum and failure of Tory and Labour.

Alexandra2001 · 02/01/2025 18:32

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/01/2025 16:44

They weren't so badly starved of funds that they had no time to gaslight the victims and suggest that "the decisions you made in life are why this has happened to you", were they.

If budget is an issue then why is this current Govt setting up roughly one new quango per week, and has ordered dozens of inquiries since it came to power. Budget didn't seem to bother them there does it

Well, we already know that, multiple inquires have uncovered wrong doing.... yet still childrens social services are in a dire state.

I don't see what a further historic inquiry is supposed to achieve? & if its only to try and embarrass Starmer, it was under his time as DPP that a lead was sent up to prosecute these criminals... one reason why Cameron gave him a knighthood. .. so you might get a bit unstuck with that.

A Quango a week? then name 10 of them please? name 5 inquiries well you re at it too?

Alexandra2001 · 02/01/2025 18:35

Totallymessed · 02/01/2025 18:28

Bloody hell. It's become obvious over the past few years that misogyny is as rife on the left as the right, but I'm actually shocked at people (mostly women, presumably) thinking this should be brushed away because it's (god forbid) someone on the right of the spectrum highlighting what is going on.

To those posters I would just like to say: taking the rape of girls seriously should not be a party political issue.

What the actual fuck is going on with people?

Listen to yourself?

There has umpteen inquiries, what is another one supposed to achieve?

Wouldn't it be better to look at all the recommendations the last major inquiry came too but still have not been implemented first?

The previous Govt had 2 years to do this but did nothing.

OneLemonDog · 02/01/2025 18:35

Alexandra2001 · 02/01/2025 18:32

Well, we already know that, multiple inquires have uncovered wrong doing.... yet still childrens social services are in a dire state.

I don't see what a further historic inquiry is supposed to achieve? & if its only to try and embarrass Starmer, it was under his time as DPP that a lead was sent up to prosecute these criminals... one reason why Cameron gave him a knighthood. .. so you might get a bit unstuck with that.

A Quango a week? then name 10 of them please? name 5 inquiries well you re at it too?

Yes, it feels a little like people are reading excerpts of completed inquiries (and court cases resulting from them) and their take away is that we need another inquiry (and only Home-Office-led is acceptable).

Alexandra2001 · 02/01/2025 18:38

OneLemonDog · 02/01/2025 18:35

Yes, it feels a little like people are reading excerpts of completed inquiries (and court cases resulting from them) and their take away is that we need another inquiry (and only Home-Office-led is acceptable).

100% - seems to be their only concern is too try and put one over on Labour, posters didn't seem to care that the last inquiry wasn't acted on.

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 02/01/2025 18:41

@Alexandra2001 with respect have you seen bbc I player x3 girls.
Have you seen the recent updates from the whistle blower at that time.
This goes way above politics, the abusers have not been deported, as an example 100 police officers were reported and 2 were punished etc etc. Counselors played the girls, the police were in on it etc etc.
Dad's went to rescue their daughters and were arrested, 13 year old girls were arrested.
The law in the UK is not robust enough to deal with this and needs urgently updating and we need to know how and why this group ran rings around UK law.

MyDeafEar · 02/01/2025 18:41

rainingsnoring · 02/01/2025 18:29

Things can definitely get worse as well as better. Reform's policies, as they stand currently, are not realistic and will definitely not help the hoards of working class men and women who now support them. Farage and Tice are very far from being working class leaders as Labour were in previous times; they are both from wealthy families and were privately educated at top schools. Farage is an effective populist politician, taking full advantage of the massive power vacuum and failure of Tory and Labour.

See, I actually agree with you. Farage is loathsome - only in it for his own gain. I don't believe for a minute he ' cares'; it's all about feathering his own nest. But he's the only one who is speaking out and it's resonating with the working classes, because no one else seemingly gives a shit. We can't trust a word of the Tories rhetoric - they were woefully incompetent and sat back for 14 years whilst letting troubles brew to breaking point.. Labour? Nope, last time they'll ever get my vote. So what alternative do we have? It's time for change., But where that change comes from or what it looks like, who knows at this point?

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