To think that they could roll out mounjaro in less than 12 years?

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I thought this was 12 months when I read it first - is it me or does 12 years seem like a long time to prescribe for all eligible patients? Particularly as we are told so many expensive medical problems are caused by obesity.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/24823250.nhs-mounjaro---will-eligible/

No I just stopped going to them with my issues caused by my PCOS. I was eating healthily, I was exercising, more so than my slim friends. I was told all my blood tests were normal. I knew what I was experiencing wasn’t normal and was due to my Pcos.

A consultant is one thing, the randomers ordering from Med Express and companies like them with virtually zero medical supervision is quite another. You never once mentioned a consultant before, perhaps be clearer in future so the lowly MN posters understand what you’re talking about.

The infrastructure isnt there yet, manufacturing and supply being the big one

I personally wouldn’t be putting anything in my body without the long term effects being available. But you do you.

A few things:

I don’t think anyone on this thread has said exercise isn’t important or pointless. What I, and many others have said, is when you are eating enough calories per day to get you to the point that you are obese/morbidly obese, going to the gym a few times a week whilst continuing to eat in the same way is highly unlikely to be a successful method of returning to a normal BMI. I’m not sure how that has somehow been read as ‘exercise is a waste of time, take the jabs and you don’t have to bother with moving as they’ll do all the hard work for you’.

These jabs were designed to be taken for a potentially lifelong condition back in the 80’s. they are now being used in conjunction with another condition which might require long term use of the medication. This is not a thalidomide situation.

As a thin munter, that has never been my experience. My prettier mates who were larger than me would always get the attention over me. Mind you, I was, when younger, I was the level of ugliness that caused people to stop me in the street and inform me of how ugly I was (genuinely). I have been barked at, told I should've been born a man and, frankly, the only reason it doesn't happen now is that I have reached the 'invisible' age.

Believe me, if there had been an injection that could have made me pretty, I would have taken it. Nobody is campaigning for us 'uglies' to be on the cover of vogue. There's no medical reason for me to look the way I do, so I won't be appearing on Dove's 'real women' ads any time soon.

I do appreciate I might be a rare minority, though, in the thin world.

I think the mountjaro jabs are amazing, judging by the results people have been describing. If things people are worried about losing their advantage, that's daft, because apart from anything else, when this drug does come on the market, it's going to be available only to people who meet strict criteria. There will still be plenty of people who aren't a size eight who don't qualify. In a similar vein, I don't think the diet industry needs to worry about it. The vast majority of people I know using Noom, slimmer's world and the rest of it, wouldn't qualify for the jab.

There's absolutely no need for any panic about everyone suddenly being a size 8. There's no need for the diet industry to imagine it's going to go bust overnight, because the jab isn't going to be available to the majority of subscribers who aren't clinically obese.

This is a medical treatment for a medical condition. It's not going to be handed out like sweeties to all and sundry who just want to lose a few pounds. There will still be plenty of people to fill the coffers of slimmer's world and weight watchers, and plenty of people for the kind of slim people who think like that to be dicks about.

People who don't need this jab should simply be grateful they don't need it. I may not be beautiful, but my ugliness doesn't cause me lasting and severe health problems. My life is not at risk from it (leaving aside the suicide I contemplated as an ugly teen in a beautiful people's world). I don't begrudge a single person who has the chance to have a happier, healthier, longer life and takes it.

Absolute bs ! If you need to stand out from everyone else it's a self esteem issue. What puerile remark re being able to afford it.

They do not, as far a so know or have read.

There was a slight increase in thyroid cancer observed in mice. This has never been replicated in humans, for whom it does not appear (so far) to make any difference to thyroid cancer risk.

There is an increase in risk of pancreatitis but it is not clear if this is as a result of the weight loss, rather than the drug - as I don't think the same risk increase has been seen in diabetic patients?

Obesity is one of the biggest risk factors for SO many diseases and conditions, so with a significant reduction in obesity perhaps some of those other ologists can retrain 👍🏻

Eg. www.healthline.com/health-news/ozempic-mounjaro-and-similar-drugs-dont-increase-risk-of-pancreatic-cancer#:~:text=Ozempic%2C%20Mounjaro%20and%20Similar%20Drugs,Increase%20Risk%20of%20Pancreatic%20Cancer&text=People%20with%20type%202%20diabetes,cancer%2C%20a%20new%20study%20found.

I keep seeing this pop up and it's always you posting it. It's not amusing just dismissive.

If you wanted to keep your WLI pure and comment-free then perhaps keep them to the weightloss boards where you can be safely insulted from 'the others'.

and a nice summary here for those genuinely concerned about GMP-1 drugs and cancer risk:

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9687454/

I agree with you.

I think that most of the rage is coming from those who are taking weight loss injections and feel aggrieved that other people either don't share their views or don't want to take these themselves.

If these injections are so great for you then why do you need to 'recruit'? Why aren't you just happy in your own skins without pillorying everyone else? If this is the holy grail for you and it's working then fantastic - what does anybody else's opinion matter?

The 'jealousy' comment is nonsense. The only people I would feel envious (not jealous) of, is those who never think about their weight, those who crack on with their days, gaining and losing the odd pound here and there. Not of somebody who has to take a drug, however good it is.

I don’t think the vitriol and faux concern over users health comes from a place of jealousy, I think it’s just general human behaviour to look down on overweight people and their attempts to get slim because being overweight is still seen as a moral failing.

So taking medication to aid with that is seen as cheating the system (another moral failing). Basically it’s good old fashioned judgement disguised as (or sometimes not even really disguised) as concern.

I deffo have no need to ‘recruit’ but I suppose I explain in a vain hope that it’s understood that just because I’m fat I’m not lacking in moral character and I do exercise and I don’t just sit in a dark room stuffing cake into my fat gob. But really I shouldn’t care about that stuff, but until you’ve been in a room or a situation where you’re frantically trying to work out if you’re the biggest person in there to identify if whatever you’re about to do is going to be achievable because of your weight or if you’re going to be left feeling humiliated at not being able to fully participate because of your size - then I will probably still try and convince people I’m not a bad person just because I’m overweight.

You are right of course … I don’t give a flying one about your opinion.

I’m here for all those other Fatties who have had a lifetime of judgment, opinions, “concern”, advice, and ill-informed opinions. It’s so boring.

It’s ok to have the jabs, if it works for you .. you aren’t cheating, weight loss doesn’t not always need to be a struggle, you aren’t taking medication away from others.

People here “concerned” about “side effects” are the same ones moaning that obese people take up to many NHS resources.. they can’t decide whether to be annoyed we are fat, or trying to lose weight.

It’s laughable.

Mounjaro is not the solution to obesity. The amount of delighted people on mumsnet who are losing weight on this stuff by eating absolute rubbish but just less of it is terrifying. Yes you are losing weight but you still have no idea how to eat healthily so it's not a long term solution.

Nor I yours much but why are you so angry about something that is working? Presumably you don't care about anybody's opinion that doesn't accord with yours.

I've never said that anybody was cheating, I've not expressed any opinion about the weight loss injections either. I do have an opinion on the really angry messages calling others 'jealous'. I agree with you that people who post about 'concern' probably aren't because I wouldn't get my information from a chatboard if I had a concern about the efficacy or safety.

You obviously don't believe them either so why give them ammunition/oxygen?

I see no evidence of this. In fact, plenty of evidence of the opposite. Side effects are exacerbated if you continue to eat "absolute rubbish". I know my eating habits have completely changed over the last six months that I've been on Mounjaro. I also think that the large majority of obese people know exactly how to eat healthily, it's not ignorance of nutrition that makes people obese. It's the ability to stick to a balanced diet whilst in a calorie deficit for a long period of time in order to lose weight that's the difficulty.

Agree with @SilenceInside. But it seems easier for a lot of people (many who have never been fat) to simplify criticise those on WLI.

You know that most overweight people aren’t stupid right? And that they know that Carrot = good and cake = bad? I’m not overweight because I keep mistakenly eating pizza instead of kale 🤦🏼‍♀️

I know more about calories, macros, a balanced diet and good nutrition than the average Joe I’d say because I think about this stuff every single day of my life. Mounjaro helps me to stick to a healthier lifestyle and diet. It doesn’t mean that I only eat 3 cheeseburgers a day instead of 6 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

"There is an increase in risk of pancreatitis but it is not clear if this is as a result of the weight loss, rather than the drug - as I don't think the same risk increase has been seen in diabetic patients?"

Yep, I developed Gallstones which led to severe pancreatitis, it happened after I lost 4 stone by going very low carb and exercising for an hour a day at the gym. Weight loss is actually one of the biggest causes of gallstones. So an increase in pancreatitis amongst people taking Walk is going to be very difficult to diagnose as being due to the injections rather than due to the loss.

Sorry I take hormone blockers and confused them.

It would save you a lot of time if you just wrote 'I hate fat people'. It's dripping from your comments, so just cut to the chase.

I have mentioned a consultant MANY times in posts re mounjaro. There was no need for me to mention it before that post in this thread. My previous post was simply that I worry about not being able to access a drug that has been pretty life changing for me. Should I include (consultant prescribed) in very post?