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caffelattetogo · 2025-01-01T18:15:03+00:00

I thought this was 12 months when I read it first - is it me or does 12 years seem like a long time to prescribe for all eligible patients? Particularly as we are told so many expensive medical problems are caused by obesity. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/24823250.nhs-mounjaro---will-eligible/

Tangfastic71 · 02/01/2025 00:46

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:45

Funnily enough, I did cut someone's lawn with shears this summer when they were in hospital and I couldn't access their tools. Small house, didn't take long.

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Scissors. But whatever.

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:47

@JasonTindallsTan "Judgy fuckers"? Nice. You're the one throwing out foul insults here. By the way, I have been a size 20 and I'm a size 6-8 now. I achieved that through exercise. Not bad for something you're all claiming is impossible 😜

theduchessofspork · 02/01/2025 00:48

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:39

Don't patronise me, I understand perfectly well and I don't go about making scientifically untrue statements.

Exercising three times a week or whatever cannot create enough of a deficit to move the dial if you are eating way too much.

This differs from your original claim.

You said: "weight loss itself comes primarily from diet adjustment", which is untrue. Weight loss comes from creating a calorie deficit. Exercise burns calories. If you create a calorie deficit by exercising, and as a result lose weight, then you have lost weight through exercise. Understand?

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I’m not patronising you, I am pointing you to well established research on the difficult issue of how to achieve successful weight loss
in obese people, which you seem to be unaware of.

You said: "weight loss itself comes primarily from diet adjustment", which is untrue. Weight loss comes from creating a calorie deficit.

Weight loss comes primarily from diet adjustment because that is the only effective way to create a calorie deficit in those who are very overweight, exercise, while generally good for you, and helpful for weight loss maintenance is not enough to do it.

It would be great if obese people who need to loose, say 10 stone, could achieve that loss in the same way a someone who needs to loose 10 pounds can, but sadly it does not work like that, for a multitude of reasons.

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:49

You ARE patronising by ending with a sarcastic "understand?" . Understand?

It would be great if obese people who need to loose, say 10 stone, could achieve that loss in the same way a someone who needs to loose 10 pounds can, but sadly it does not work like that, for a multitude of reasons.

Worked for me.

Also, you keep on adding and adding to your original statement because you're desperate to not be called out for an inaccurate statement, but my comments were not in response to what you have just written above

theduchessofspork · 02/01/2025 00:50

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:49

You ARE patronising by ending with a sarcastic "understand?" . Understand?

It would be great if obese people who need to loose, say 10 stone, could achieve that loss in the same way a someone who needs to loose 10 pounds can, but sadly it does not work like that, for a multitude of reasons.

Worked for me.

Also, you keep on adding and adding to your original statement because you're desperate to not be called out for an inaccurate statement, but my comments were not in response to what you have just written above

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It’s not sarcastic - it is a genuine question.

If the answer is that you don’t, I will try and explain it in a different way.

Swalwey · 02/01/2025 00:51

@ODFOx fluoxetine (Prozac) has not been withdrawn, it is still widely prescribed for depression, OCD and bulimia. Ranitidine was voluntarily withdrawn by the manufacturer because of a concern over impurity.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/01/2025 00:51

westernlights · 01/01/2025 23:13

@SavingTheBestTillLast yes you're right.

I find the whole concept difficult to get my head around and a sad place the country is in. Watched Grease yesterday, no obesity, no fillers etc. so much has changed in 40 years

Those 18 year olds had clearly had a tough life, though. And only got a flying car at the end.

Completely representative of reality, there.

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:52

theduchessofspork · 02/01/2025 00:50

It’s not sarcastic - it is a genuine question.

If the answer is that you don’t, I will try and explain it in a different way.

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Oh my god you are literally insufferably patronising. I do hope you don't work with obese people!

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:53

Your original statement is still untrue, by the way. Would you like me to explain in simple terms why that is so you can understand?

theduchessofspork · 02/01/2025 00:54

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:52

Oh my god you are literally insufferably patronising. I do hope you don't work with obese people!

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No, I’m not - if you don’t understand why weight loss for obese people tends not be be straightforward then presumably you’d like to, or you wouldn’t be posting here?

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:56

It's nothing to do with understanding why weight loss isn't simple for obese people, and you know it. You made an untrue statement, I showed why it was untrue and you can't accept that.

JasonTindallsTan · 02/01/2025 00:56

Oh There’s only one person being insufferable round here…

Anyway. Do tell me about this exercise that made you drop 5 dress sizes without changing your diet at all. I’m super keen to hear about it and how long it took.

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:57

Running, it took two and a half years.

theduchessofspork · 02/01/2025 00:58

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:56

It's nothing to do with understanding why weight loss isn't simple for obese people, and you know it. You made an untrue statement, I showed why it was untrue and you can't accept that.

I explained to you why the statement I made - which by the way is well established by years of research into obesity - is correct.

I think everyone would love for the solution to obesity to be an easy but as we know, it isn’t - but it’s an urgent problem, so understanding it and working to solve it is really important.

ObelixtheGaul · 02/01/2025 00:59

westernlights · 01/01/2025 23:13

@SavingTheBestTillLast yes you're right.

I find the whole concept difficult to get my head around and a sad place the country is in. Watched Grease yesterday, no obesity, no fillers etc. so much has changed in 40 years

Grease was made at a time when nobody fat was allowed anywhere near a film or TV studio in America. It really doesn't mean nobody was fat back then.

I watch The Footage Detectives on TPTV a lot. Fairly recently, they showed a short documentary film about coach trips in the 1950s. About 60% of the people on that footage were fat.
There's been plenty of other footage on that show of ordinary people, including during wartime Britain when rationing was a thing, who were large.

We are constantly bombarded by this rose-tinted view that everybody was stick-thin back in the day. It really, really wasn't true. Plenty of people were fat. A fair few members of my family were.

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 01:02

To anyone who is reading this who feels fat and suffers with it, I want you to know that the statement "you can't outrun your fork" isn't true. You can create a calorie deficit through exercise if that is your chosen way and if your health permits, so don't lose hope and be wary of what you read online.

Swalwey · 02/01/2025 01:04

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:57

Running, it took two and a half years.

If we all chip in to get you a medal, will it make you satisfied that you are physically and morally superior?

Seriously, can you really not envisage that people may have circumstances that are different from yours? Mobility issues, money considerations, time constraints, other health conditions that make it impossible for them to lose weight exactly as you did? Why is this so important for you?

fivebyfivebuffy · 02/01/2025 01:06

JasonTindallsTan · 02/01/2025 00:56

Oh There’s only one person being insufferable round here…

Anyway. Do tell me about this exercise that made you drop 5 dress sizes without changing your diet at all. I’m super keen to hear about it and how long it took.

My friend did it but he did a LOT of exercise
He doesn't eat veg or fruit so changing his diet wasn't going to be easy and he didn't want to

He started on a bike as he felt too heavy to run, and 45 mins am and pm every day
Then he got back into running, and started the ninja warrior type obstacle courses then CrossFit
He still does 45 mins am and pm on the bike plus running and CrossFit

Weight wise he lost around 5 stone

fivebyfivebuffy · 02/01/2025 01:07

To add of course I know that's not possible for everyone, I'm just answering the question
It's whatever works for the individual

I feel better when I exercise but can't currently do any which makes me miserable
When I exercise I tend to eat better as well

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 01:07

@Swalwey Nowhere did I say that made me superior, you're reading something into it that isn't there. If you care to look back, my first post was in support of weight loss drugs! What is important to me is that I will point out that it is indeed possible to lose weight through exercise and I know because I did it. The point is not whether it's suitable for other people, the point is that someone has said it is flat out not possible and I'm saying that it is possible. Not preferable, just possible.

user243245346 · 02/01/2025 01:15

westernlights · 01/01/2025 23:00

I think it doesn't solve the problem of how/why people are obese in first place. Surely more proactive methods would be beneficial and mental health support for people who have binge eating disorders.

Weight loss injections have been shown to be far more effective than therapy or other interventions (with the exception of bariatric surgery).

user243245346 · 02/01/2025 01:30

westernlights · 01/01/2025 23:39

I think some will take it and continue not to exercise as it's an easier option. My friend has started it, she barely walks anywhere, I suggested movement but apparently injecting is easier.

Exercise actually isn't related to weight loss or maintenance. You need to eat less to lose weight which injections help with. So your "friend" is right

user243245346 · 02/01/2025 01:44

amoreoamicizia · 01/01/2025 23:54

Exercise is a very small part of losing weight.

Weight loss is about what you eat.

This is an untrue statement, it can be achieved by exercise if someone wishes- it's just that that is not the most common route.

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This is not the case. Research shows that exercise is good for health but weight loss requires control of diet.

StormingNorman · 02/01/2025 01:53

HermoniePotter · 01/01/2025 23:30

Can you link to the studies please of the maintenance dose?

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I’m sure you can have a little Google. I’m talking from personal experience.

user243245346 · 02/01/2025 01:53

amoreoamicizia · 02/01/2025 00:03

You absolutely can "outrun your fork", if, for example, you run 5k, a relatively short distance, several days a week that creates a deficit in most cases. You're repeating something as though it were fact when it isn't. Every time I see this repeated I challenge it.

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Again weight loss has been extensively studied. Diet control is the only thing linked to weight loss. Not exercise