To think that they could roll out mounjaro in less than 12 years?

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I thought this was 12 months when I read it first - is it me or does 12 years seem like a long time to prescribe for all eligible patients? Particularly as we are told so many expensive medical problems are caused by obesity.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/24823250.nhs-mounjaro---will-eligible/

So is it available for people with all these other issues as well. Or just people who are overweight.
Im just thinking if it’s good for dementia for example should non overweight people be denied it. If they are, then won’t that mean people with a familial history might start putting on weight to get the drug. Drastic I know….but I would.

How much do they cost. The weight loss drug that is, not the nicotine patches

Lots of anger here, as well as wilful ignorance - you might want to sort that out, rather than attack other people.

I think some will take it and continue not to exercise as it's an easier option. My friend has started it, she barely walks anywhere, I suggested movement but apparently injecting is easier.

A PP mentioned people will be on lower doses to maintain weight. So it seems they may well be on the drugs for life.

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Are people getting nectar points on here for every judgey comment they can make about the lazy fatties and the cheating injections?

Exercise is a very small part of losing weight.

Weight loss is about what you eat.

If you have an addictive relationship with food, this can be very hard to control.

Mounjaro and co, are not a magic bullet, if they are working for your friend it’s because she’s eating less. The people who do best on them make significant lifestyle changes, mainly diet but also eventually exercise which is of course good for your general health.

If you are going to express opinions on weight loss methods, might you consider understanding the very basics?

Exercise and eating well go hand in hand, calorie in/out.
If she ate only 1200 calories a day she won't loose weight if only burning 800.

(Not read the thread) I totally agree, ten years is a joke. Some people will die during that time or develop serious illnesses. They're overcomplicating it as usual. It doesn't need referrals to a special third-party service, just have GPs prescribe it. If the private clinics can manage it then the NHS ought to be able to. I'm actually suspicious as to what's behind this ludicrous delay, some kind of lobbying?

However I appreciate some people are so obese that they can't move or exercise so this will hopefully kick start it for them.

As far as I know the research is still ongoing as to how it helps with dementia, other addiction issues, sleep apnea, ADHD etc. Same as these were initially diabetes medicines and rolled out for weight loss with additional research.
If the benefits safely outweigh the risks for non-obese patients with those illnesses, then I would absolutely assume that Mounjaro will roll out as treatment eventually too.

Exercise is a very small part of losing weight.

Weight loss is about what you eat.

This is an untrue statement, it can be achieved by exercise if someone wishes- it's just that that is not the most common route.

Bullshit.

Maybe awaiting research on long term adverse side effects if any.

Completely agree. It’s like a magic drug for some people. It suppresses appetite so of course people will lose weight and lots of weight in a short amount of time from what I’ve read on here. I can’t help but wonder what the long term effects of this drug will be on their bodies or how anyone taking these drugs will cope when the weight piles back on?

@SavingTheBestTillLast surely there must be long term health effects of taking a drug for the rest of their lives that was initially for diabetes? I’ve not heard of one NHS authority who’s prescribing this for life on the NHS.

No I'm just saying what people DON'T want to hear.

And even more interestingly but inconveniently for your predudice, the vast majority of people haven't taken a break over Christmas and have continued with their new eating plan.

There is endless research on this so if you are going to sound off about it, go and read some if you want anyone to take anything you say seriously.

Unless you are an athlete the vast majority of calories you burn are down to simply existing. To lose weight a calorie deficit is key and that only comes through reducing what you eat.

When it comes to weight loss, no one can outrun their fork - exercise is much much less important than what you eat. Exercise is of course important for general health.

You are so right. Much more convenient for them all to stay fat. 🙄 I mean, god forbid you have nobody to sneer at.

No you are expressing anger due to some unhappiness of your own.

What other motivation could you have?

You absolutely can "outrun your fork", if, for example, you run 5k, a relatively short distance, several days a week that creates a deficit in most cases. You're repeating something as though it were fact when it isn't. Every time I see this repeated I challenge it.

You know how many die from aspirin?

I'm not sounding off about it.

Just stating a fact that weight loss is a calorie deficit in whichever way that happens and most people need to move to ensure that happens.

Some people assume that eating minimal calories is they key, yes you'd loose weight but it would deplete the body of nutrients and is not sustainable or healthy so yes, exercise is needed.