To think dogs shouldn't be in pubs?

[Orangesinthebag]

Yesterday I went to the pub for an afternoon NY Eve drink and couldn't believe the number of people who brought their dog (sometimes two dogs!) with them.

Why is this such a thing now? Can't dogs be left alone any more?
A couple of the dogs were growling at each other and owners were having to drag them apart.
It happens all the time these days - pubs, cafes, restaurants, shops but only a few years ago it would have been so weird and only guide dogs were allowed into places, especially places serving food.

I love dogs but I know several people who are scared of them & find it difficult to have to encounter them everywhere these days.

Is it unreasonable to think dogs should be kept at home?

(Sorry could add a poll for some reason)

@Tara336 sorry I’m not buying that. Do you never go anywhere without your dog? What about if you need to go to the doctors or dentist does it come with you?

@K0OLA1D

My collie always loved a hotel trip, he particularly liked revolving doors (go figure). He used to sit excitedly at check in and even was fine in lifts. I always chose places that had a dog friendly eating area

I’m 100%ok with little dogs but don’t think they should be sitting on seats as some in our local do. The local pub is very dog friendly but it’s a tiny pub and I don’t like huge big dogs as I find them a bit scary and some take up more room than people 🤣

Joking apart, it really has made taking the dog to the pub a joy, he just chills out and keeps an eye / ear out for any dropped chips.

People seem less aware or concerned of their effect on other people, (e.g. dogs, children, parking, speaker phones, being a twat etc) these days, exacerbated by people not wanting to call them out.

As I get older (grumpier?) I'm more likely to politely tell someone if there're being inconsiderate, half the time I don't think they even realise.

@satsumaqueen did you not read my post properly? I don't take my dog to supermarkets, I don't take my dog to shopping centres.. I definitely don't take my dog to my many hospital appointments or to the dentist... my DH does our shopping, I clothes shop online or DH goes with me (therefore I'm not alone and DDog stays home). But I do take her to a dog friendly cafe to have a coffee and chat with friend which gives me a change of scenery from staring at four walls all day.

Yes, For one thing, dogs are on leads...

Most have separate dog areas

YABU. Country pubs would lose a huge amount of custom if dogs were banned. In places like Cornwall or the Lakes, people go for a drink or some food after a walk. A nice pint after a bracing dog walk is one of life’s pleasures

As being dog friendly boosts profits by 20-50% then they're here to stay. It must also be a boost to mumsnet profits as a top space for moaning about it. Win win!

My dog loves pubs and drags me in. I swear she can smell them as she asks to go in ones we've never stepped foot in. She gets treats and tickles and it's warm. She's not stupid!

I haven't got a dog and I don't think the majority of people love dogs. You're mixing me up with another poster I think?

I don't like seeing them (and smelling them) anywhere that I'm eating or drinking. So if there are dogs in the pub, I won't stay. But that's my issue and I totally get how handy it must be for dog owners to be able go for a walk, then stop and have something to eat or drink without worrying about where to put their dog. However, people have started to take their dogs into Costa at the shopping centre a few miles from us and there isn't anywhere to go for a walk nearby. So they have ushered poor Bonzo into the car, driven him to the shopping centre, quite likely trailed him around Next and Boots, then on into Costa. This I don't get at all. Leave him at home while you get your shopping. He'll survive for an hour or two. He probably hates shopping anyway.

@5128gap that was supposed to be directed at @5431go

That’s my point exactly though. You are saying you need your dog to leave the house, but you don’t as you go to plenty of other places without it.

Your dog isn’t a registered service dog, therefore your rights to have the dog with you do not surpass anyone else’s, it’s a pet nothing more, despite how you may personally feel about it. This is the self entitlement I was talking about. Dog owners often have no consideration for other people who do not like them and that’s the issue I was trying to discuss. You take the dog because it makes you feel better without considering that someone who is deathly allergic to your dog will now not be able to see their friends in the same cafe because you feel the need to take your dog with you when it doesn’t actually need to be there. Unless a dog is a service animal, a dog is a pet and should not be considered ‘higher’ or more important than a human, and other people shouldn’t have to be forced to be around other peoples pets when going about their business.

Like I said before the majority of places are now dog friendly so people are increasingly finding it impossible to socialise and go about their day without a dog being there and that shouldn’t be the case. There are family areas of many pubs and restaurants where all us parents get shoved out the way, having to put up with other peoples feral children despite my own being able to sit at a table without bothering anyone else. There should be dog only spaces for the same reasons. If people want to sit in a restaurant with dogs sniffing their crotch and putting their salvia all over the tables that’s up to them, but I shouldn’t be forced to have to put up with it and more times than not, I am!

It's an income stream and god knows they need it! Dog walkers stopping for a beer or coffee and snacks - they sometimes have dog free areas

Indeed. The majority of people like fireworks, but just try using that justification to a dog owner 😂

I have no problem with well trained and controllled dogs in an appropriate environment. Country pub? Fine. Busy city centre cafe - no, and I don’t suppose the dog enjoys it much either. Tolerates, maybe. But enjoys?

I’m surprised that as many as 1 in 3 households have a dog, but those are the facts. I don’t think they should be in supermarkets though, and I’m not a fan of the in shops sniffing around the clothes / furnishings etc. Just because you can take a dog somewhere doesn’t mean you should. All dog owners think their dog is better behaved than all the others. They never are.

I’d rather sit next to a dog in a pub than a child watching peppa pig on a iPad at full volume.
If dogs are allowed in then it’s tough really.

As reasonable as someone who loves dogs surely?

As with many on here, I would rather have a snoozing dog than a noisy child throwing food around, or a stinky baby.

As someone has pointed out I could make the same point about fireworks - they’re allowed, so tough. Deal with it. But the dog owners don’t see it that way.

What about a snoozing baby vs a growling or barking dog, or one that comes up to everyone and dribbles all over them?

It’s as valid a comparison.

But they're allowed so people let them off despite dog owners (and pretty much every other animal owners and people who care about wildlife)'s objections... same as dogs in pubs.

Thankfully, my dog loves fireworks 😊

I've never seen a separate dog area.

Plenty of people on here calling for fireworks to be banned tho.

I’m allergic to dogs so ideally wouldn’t have to be around them but as others have said it makes commercial sense for pubs etc to allow them in. I get it, not upset about it, just not ideal for me.

I also think there are 2 types of dog owner - responsible ones and dickheads with dogs who feel entitled to bring them everywhere regardless of whether it’s best for the dog or the impact on other people or their behaviour.

I’m not calling for them to be banned tho. People would think that was ridiculous.

YANBU op. The amount of dogs everywhere is insufferable now. People should leave them at home.