To think dogs shouldn't be in pubs?

[Orangesinthebag]

Yesterday I went to the pub for an afternoon NY Eve drink and couldn't believe the number of people who brought their dog (sometimes two dogs!) with them.

Why is this such a thing now? Can't dogs be left alone any more?
A couple of the dogs were growling at each other and owners were having to drag them apart.
It happens all the time these days - pubs, cafes, restaurants, shops but only a few years ago it would have been so weird and only guide dogs were allowed into places, especially places serving food.

I love dogs but I know several people who are scared of them & find it difficult to have to encounter them everywhere these days.

Is it unreasonable to think dogs should be kept at home?

(Sorry could add a poll for some reason)

Are we talking country pubs with working breed dogs or are we in fur baby territory?

I don't take my dog to the pub because she's well behaved but is of a nervous disposition and I don't think she'd enjoy it. However there are more pubs that aren't dog friendly than there are dog friendly ones, so if they bother you you could always go to one that has chosen not to allow dogs.

Obviously people who don't have well behaved dogs shouldn't bring them into pubs.

The problem with Dog Owners is they always think “but not my dog, my dog is wonderful”. They also always think their dog is well behaved and not one of those I am talking about when I say I find dogs a nuisance but they are always wrong. The entitlement of dog owners over people who are allergic is shocking - you wouldn’t rub nuts in someone with an allergy’s face so why do you let your dog jump up at me?

YABU, I prefer pubs that allow dogs

Because on Mumsnet dogs are valued more than children. Having a 'furbaby' is some people's whole personality. Not just on MN tho. I have recently watched true crime documentary, all family with kids perished, dog survived. You can imagine comments!

It’s about consideration and responsible ownership really isn’t it?
We now have one dog and will take him to a pub or around town at the end of a long walk but we know he’s quiet, well behaved and chilled and if he wasn’t we would take him out- just the same as we did when we had small children if they misbehaved.

One of our previous dogs was anxious and nervous around other dogs in crowded places so we would never take him into cafes, pubs etc as it wouldn’t be fair on him or anyone else.

So many people think they have the right to do what they want with no consideration for others and won’t do the work needed, or make adjustments to manage the situation.

Nah, I love my dog, would bring him everywhere if I could.

I don’t care what anyone else thinks, I no longer care about their needs/wants tbh. Why should we cater for the minority? The majority of people love dogs yet I have to tolerate people making poor decisions, smoking while I’m in their presence while working, paying taxes, having children and expecting the state to foot the bill, fly tipping, dietary requirements, children identifying as a cats…. Honestly a dog in the pub or a shop is absolutely minor. If you don’t like it go to a non-dog pub.

in Italy they allow dogs in supermarkets, I aspire to that.

Wetherspoons seems to be doing OK as a chain with their no dogs policy.

I do think though that the "just go somewhere that doesn't allow dogs" people are a bit deluded - I cannot think of one casual restaurant / pub / cafe near me which does not allow dogs. Most will have some sort of well-behaved dog policy but it's often left to the staff on low wages to police that, and we all know asking an owner with a badly behaved dog to deal with it, shut it up and stop it bothering other customers goes down like a bucket of cold sick.

Basically, if you can't control your animal to the level of other people not even realising it is there, then you shouldn't be taking it out.

@satsumaqueen I haven't taken it personally i have just explained my own situation. My dog does t come food shopping (I very rarely go) as its done by DH. I don't under why people take their dogs to supermarkets (I haven't actually seen anyone do that) and I certainly wouldn't take mine to walk around a shopping centre, but I would struggle to physically do that anyway as my condition causes me to fall if I don't concentrate on my walking which is hard to do when i have lots of people around me and I couldn't do that and worry about my dog so unless DH is with me my shopping is done online.

But my world would become much smaller and I would become very reclusive again if I couldn't get out to a cafe and have a coffee with a friend now and then with my dog to give me the confidence to go. That has changed my life for the better. In sorry if that might affect t other people (no one has ever complained about my dog) but if the option to take my dog is there and allows me to have a little normality i will take it.

Yes there are people that allow their dogs to be a pain and they annoy me too as I want to enjoy a coffee and a chat too and don't want someone's giant dog hassling mine but as with all things there are people who are considerate of others (and of their pets) and those that are not and that is a shame.

YANBU.

i love dogs, but not in eating spaces.

@5128gap classic entitled dog owner response that “the majority” of people “love” dogs! A significant portion of the population hate them or are indifferent!

I agree. I'm allergic as are a lot of people.

You do realise that shops, pubs and cafes are private businesses and can make their own rules? If the owners find it financially beneficial to make their premises welcoming to people with dogs, then that’s what they will do. Pubs have welcomed dogs forever anyway. A local cafe owner has told me she much prefers dogs to children. Quieter and far less messy!

I think you’ve misunderstood my post. I welcome both dogs and children in pubs - having quite the collection of both myself!
My point was that the person I was replying to obviously just hates dogs so probably can’t have a reasonable discussion on the matter

I agree, people have started to treat dogs like they're human. I especially don't like them in restaurants or cafés. I don't want to eat surrounded by smelly dogs.

I used to take my old dog and really long hikes and walks then to the pub. Nothing better than a country pub and roast dinner after a 15 mile hike.

Don't like it? Go to spoons. I highly doubt the dog friendly pubs care for your opinions, the ones near me all have dog menus and are doing pretty well, so they aren't about to do something that would upset their core demographic.

I’m in a hotel and someone has brought their bloody Alsatian 🤷🏼‍♀️

I've stopped in a hotel with my border collie. If the hotel allows it then they'll be there.

I put my dog on a "rigorous training programme", from a puppy so he would be used to pubs, and it's paid off.

We're doing that now with our 6 month old golden. It's such a hardship isn't it 🤣

Is it behaving itself?

Dogs have always gone to pubs, long before kids were let in or even women were allowed in the public bar!

Wetherspoons don't allow them, larger pubs may have a no dogs section too

Yes we’re the same. We could take our last dog anywhere because she was super chilled, but we’re much more cautious about where we take our current one because he can be a total bellend, so he will only come into a pub at the end of a long walk and if he has space from other dogs.

Same with our kids, when they were going through the restless difficult stage we tended to steer away from places where they would be expected to sit still.

It’s about consideration to others, and when applied there should be a place for every person (and dog) to be welcome.

I have dogs, very well behaved ones, they occasionally come to the pub if we are away and the holiday home states they cannot be left alone. We prefer not to take them as they seem to be a magnet for untrained children!

we were once away, I was sat on a bench waiting for my DH to come out of the supermarket, I had one dog at the time and she was sound asleep between my feet, some idiot who was not paying attention to her child didn’t see him run full pelt at my dog and grab her face before I saw him (I was on the phone to my unwell relative)

child and parent are extremely lucky that my dog is so well behaved, even the best behaved animals could have bitten in that situation, woken from their sleep to having their face pulled!

Agree. Piss off with them. We don’t all love the dog like you do. Last time I went to a pub I had to wipe up slobber from a water bowl before someone slipped in it. Just yuk