To think dogs shouldn't be in pubs?

[Orangesinthebag]

Yesterday I went to the pub for an afternoon NY Eve drink and couldn't believe the number of people who brought their dog (sometimes two dogs!) with them.

Why is this such a thing now? Can't dogs be left alone any more?
A couple of the dogs were growling at each other and owners were having to drag them apart.
It happens all the time these days - pubs, cafes, restaurants, shops but only a few years ago it would have been so weird and only guide dogs were allowed into places, especially places serving food.

I love dogs but I know several people who are scared of them & find it difficult to have to encounter them everywhere these days.

Is it unreasonable to think dogs should be kept at home?

(Sorry could add a poll for some reason)

Society is increasingly more individualistic and an increasing number of people people breeze through life expecting everyone else to facilitate them, and if that doesn't happen, all hell breaks loose.
Some of those people are dog owners and the dog is an extension of them. They'll be just as entitled in every other area of their lives as well, because it's who they are. Where the dog is concerned they don't see the need to train it or control it because it's part of their belief that everyone should facilitate them and their wants and needs and they have no obligation to do the same for other people.
The boom on dogs everywhere wouldn't be so much of an issue if people took responsibility for them and were properly under control when in public spaces. I can see some places returning to not allowing dogs - but that won't stop the people like that who own them still being entitled and expecting everyone else to dance to their tune.

There are some feckin miserable people on this thread. I go to a lot of dog friendly places (with my well trained dog) and I don't see the dog chaos described on here. Lighten up people. Dogs make the world a better place.

But keep the dogs on the floor where they belong!

I'm amused that people think this is a modern, recent thing. There have been pubs that allow dogs for centuries, particularly 'local' pubs and country pubs. When I was growing up, it was more common for dogs than kids to be allowed in pubs. It was also very normal for the landlord's own dog to be in the pub all day. I have photos of my grandad and uncle in a pub with my uncle's dog in 1958.

I work in a dog friendly place and have two myself, love giving the dogs who come in a fuss and a treat if they're allowed.
Don't love being tripped, snapped at or retrieving them from places they shouldn't be because they're not trained or controlled.
I love dogs, it's the owners who can't be arsed to interact with the dog they chose to get and keep that piss me off. And that goes for when I'm out with my dogs - we're not there to entertain someone else's dog because they can't be arsed to.

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I completely agree. I've been going into pubs since the early 1970s, and there have always been dogs in pubs, belonging to customers and landlords. I think most landlords used to have dogs for security, bearing in mind they always had comparatively large amounts of cash on the premises. Children never used to be allowed into bars , but a very occasional pub would have a children's room and only a few pubs had gardens or outdoor areas in city areas until the smoking ban was introduced and they provided an outdoor area for smokers.

He is always on the floor in pubs

YABU

Dogs have always been in pubs (long before DC were allowed)

But yes, dogs should be well behaved (just as they should be everywhere)

Dogs in pubs is part of British culture, especially in rural pubs and long may it continue.
BUT
If they are misbehaving, they should be taken out.
They should be on the floor, or a lap if small, definitely not on the seats.
They should be on a lead.

That is all.

My Dog is a giant, and he thinks that large space in front of the bar is entirely reserved for him. He likes to occupy it and await the love of all who frequent the bar.

I'm a dog owner and have a well behaved polite dog. However some dog owners give the rest of us a bad name. I went into a dog friendly cafe last weekend with my very small dog. She was sat nicely by my feet and I doubt anyone knew she was there. A family came in with a cockapoo type dog who jumped up onto the long bench seat walked over my brand new very expensive jacket that was in the bench next to me and started trying to steal the sausage roll I had in a shopping bag. The man who was in control (I use the term loosely) gave me a weak smile and went and sat down.

I do think it's lovely to pop in a cafe and have a coffee after a walk there's no harm in that if your dog is not a pain to anyone else. It's on the owner to decide if their dog is suitable to do that. Current DDog is a sweetie and no trouble, previous DDog although much loved would have driven me and everyone else mad so I would not even entertain doing it.

So your dog takes up a huge space of the bar - a part of the pub that people can’t exactly just avoid - and that’s cute to you?

I've said it already upthread but yes. Dogs used to go everywhere with their owners..it is a fairly modern thing that they're not. They've always been allowed in pubs and it is only recently to not let them in some pubs. Women are a more recent addition to pubs than dogs!

I don't like children in pubs. For all reasons mentioned upthread but also because if I go to a pub, as a professional well behaved adult, I go to have a drink and adult conversation. I won't censor myself and I don't like having to make sure I don't talk about sex/swear/say something inappropriate because someone's child is near me.

I will say that I refer to 'normal' 'pub' pubs, not gastro-food-playpark-in-the-garden daytime pubs.

There's a sign on my local pub's door that no children are permitted after 7pm yet folk still take their toddlers in until last orders. Unfair on everyone, including the child.

There was an event in a pub near me recently. Reggae and Caribbean food. By all accounts it was great, but I drove past and there was an unmistakable niff of cannabis in the air, and a load of pushchairs outside.

nose in the air, clutches pearls I do not approve.

Local pub has just become dog friendly pub, time to find a new local

Pubs are fine. Tradional excuse for going to the pub is taking the dog for a walk. Restaurants, mostly not a fan, but very glad that the 'Lounge' franchise allowed dogs when visiting my in-laws as we could take my Poochon (he's a Bichon Frise x poodle) who is well-behaved but a bit of a people person - so all the staff kept giving him treats. Would have felt unhappy leaving him alone at in-laws (150 mile trip, so no option of leaving pooch at home).
But a bit off in a more formal restaurant, I think, and I would not be happy. (I remember my HoD hiding her dog under a table in a restaurant one Christmas - I had a Christmas tree with me so the table was quite crowded! Bizarre now I look back.)
Shops, no. No dogs in shops except pet shops maybe. I don't want to take my dog food shopping, clothes shopping etc and don't expect to meet dogs in the changing rooms or at the till.

I don’t know how big you think a giant dog is, but he isn’t Falkor. He isn’t nine metres long. He leans on the bar, because he’s very old and very gentle, and awaits love. Which he gets. In spades. He’s a Newfie and they are angels on earth.

I live in a rural setting. We love animals. Animals work hard for us. And anyone who is precious about a stationary dog leaning against a bar here would stick out like a sore thumb. 😂

And the point that dogs have been in pubs since well before women and children is likely true. Next thing they’ll be trying to ban Cheesy Moments. And I won’t have it.

Good luck with that

I have not seen Cheesy Moments in years 😥