To think dogs shouldn't be in pubs?

[Orangesinthebag]

Yesterday I went to the pub for an afternoon NY Eve drink and couldn't believe the number of people who brought their dog (sometimes two dogs!) with them.

Why is this such a thing now? Can't dogs be left alone any more?
A couple of the dogs were growling at each other and owners were having to drag them apart.
It happens all the time these days - pubs, cafes, restaurants, shops but only a few years ago it would have been so weird and only guide dogs were allowed into places, especially places serving food.

I love dogs but I know several people who are scared of them & find it difficult to have to encounter them everywhere these days.

Is it unreasonable to think dogs should be kept at home?

(Sorry could add a poll for some reason)

If we are going out for a meal locally, we don't take our dog.

We go on UK holidays with him, and there we do, because the accommodation we book allows dogs to stay but doesn't allow them to be left alone in the cottage.

We wouldn't leave him alone in a strange place anyway.

I can see why a non-dog person might feel that dogs are taking over the world. I love it but can see how others might feel differently.

I have a dog that sometimes comes into a pub if we pop in after a dog walk at the weekend. If weather ok we sit outside though even in cold months as we are all togged up. I didn’t used to like dogs so I understand and keep my dog under the table. She is small and well behaved.

@satsumaqueen read my posts properly. I'm not entitled i take my dog out with me to a dog friendly cafe. If I don't leave the house with her my DH accompanies me. Is that clear enough for you? I have MS, I shouldn't have to explain but I will because maybe you can grasp why I take her out to CAFES THAT ARE DOG FRIENDLY.

I have fallen a lot and in public having my dog with me when I am out in cafes gives me the confidence to go. I have to concentrate on my walking, having my dog walk next to makes me concentrate as I'm watching her and watching where my feet are going. If I look up or around this can cause me to stagger and fall, this could be the bright lights, looking at a shelf and trying to walk at the same time (hence I don't supermarket shop and DH does) or worrying about people bumping into me. Having my dog means I get out, I feel safer and confident, I have foot drop that means that sometimes my foot drags or doesn't life up kerbs or steps if I'm thinking about my dog and watching I have less issue with it.

When out with DH I can hold his arm and feel secure, he goes to the hospital, dentist etc with me.

I'm not entitled in any way I'm taking my dog with me to help me live as normal a life as I can. My dog can be registered as a service dog but I haven't done that as right now I'm comfortable with how I manage things. Will I do that in the future or maybe apply for a fully trained service dog should I god forbid need too? Yes I will.

Have I seen anyone keel over because I've taken my tiny dog into a cafe to sit on my lap or walked past someone on the high street with an uncontrollable allergy to her? Nope

Do you have enough information now about my personal need to have my dog with me and the difference that makes to my life?

So just to reiterate I am not a person taking a dog out with me for the sake of it, there's a reason (probably not good enough for you but hey whatever) so off you pop and direct your anger and frustration at someone else and have a fabulous new year

Country pubs have historically let dogs in. I don't see an issue with it. Go somewhere else if you don't like it.

Nah. I think we'll carry on ta. I prefer the landlords opinion over yours

Which proves my point

My dog would disagree with people who say that dogs hate shopping!
There are some occasions when I need to visit our city centre, and as my dog is with me most of the time anyway, she will tag along. She has the following as her favourite shops:

Body Shop
Lush
Fat Face
Waterstones
Tiger
Blue Banana
Mountain Warehouse.

But this is because she knows that she will get spoilt rotten by the shop assistants, and she will come away with a belly full of treats 😆

I would not take her clothes shopping though, as she is mainly white, and I wouldn't want her brushing up against clothes and leaving hair everywhere. And I think taking a dog in a supermarket is very inappropriate.

@Schnauzersaremyheros I’m really surprised your dog likes Lush. The stench from that shop is bad enough for a human!

Mumsnet is full of people with very odd ideas who don't open their own front door, go no contact at the drop of a hat and can't stand a dog in pub...

Maybe you haven't.

But there are at least 3 pubs near me where dogs are only allowed in the bar area
And a few pub/restaurants where dogs are only allowed in a specific area not the whole place

I don't mind well behaved dogs in pubs. If they bother other customers, jumping up or begging for food it's a bit annoying, but shouting DOWN! at such a dog embarrasses the "owner" into controlling the animal. "Ownership" of an animal is a concept I find a bit peculiar, but as long if it's doing no harm to me, if someone wants to walk around restraining their furry "best friend" on a leash with a leather collar or choke chain, their odd hobby is none of my business.
The thing I don't like about dogs is when they defecate in parks and the "owner" does not clean it up, or litters with a bag of poo (why? they've done the yucky part). It is has become so bad (has it gotten worse since the pandemic, or am I becoming a grumpy old curmudgeon?) on the common near where I live that I have to be constantly vigilant for excrement, sometimes right in the middle of the path (is this deliberate anti-social behaviour?) or in the grass by the edge of the path, a hidden hazard to the unwary when the path gets so muddy one has to walk at the edges. So I'm always looking down, unable to fully enjoy nature and the changing seasons, or a care-free conversation. I think there should be stronger and better enforced laws, and prison time for offenders.

I’m a dog owner and don’t think dogs should be on chairs . I’ve seen owners have dogs up at the table which is gross. Who wants to sit where a dog’s arse has been? Under the table and well behaved dogs only.

I love dogs in pubs, a lot more than I’ll behaved children.

most of the pubs near me have a “well behaved” dogs only rule.

YABU, dogs are lovely and much better than the drunk humans you’ll usually find in the pub.

@Orangesinthebag get yourself to Wetherspoons, those miserable so and so’s don’t let dogs in!

I probably don't live near you so that's irrelevant.

My GP practice would allow it! The GP often has his own dog there! Practices are their own businesses after all!

Just before Christmas in a busy shopping centre I saw a couple with their dog. It did a massive, runny poo right outside the entrance to the clothes shop they'd just been in. Neither of them had a poo bag, tissues etc. One had to go off to find help while the other guarded the stinking shit. Surely no dog lover can agree that that situation was fair on the dog? There's a time and a place for dogs to be dragged to and a busy shopping centre with a full colon is not it!

Excellent another original thread about dogs...... yawn

No, It's me pointing out that these places do exist when you implied that as you knew of none, there weren't any

only guide dogs were allowed into places

Service dogs. Guide dogs are a small section of service dogs.

In my experience pubs have always been the more likely venues for seeing domestic dogs.

There may not be any where that poster lives, though.

I actually think more places with dog / non-dog areas would solve a lot of the issues (as long as they’re enforced, which is a separate thing). But they don’t exist everywhere at the moment,

Pubs were traditionally a dog friendly space, so I think YABU here. Cafes less so!

Yes, I have accepted that misconception up thread and said that really I should have put restaurant/cafe because that's more the kind of venue I meant.

Some want to enlarge the category further, to "emotional support animals" 😂

This is getting repetitive and boring

Some places allow dogs, others dont

Adapt accordingly