To think dogs shouldn't be in pubs?

[Orangesinthebag]

Yesterday I went to the pub for an afternoon NY Eve drink and couldn't believe the number of people who brought their dog (sometimes two dogs!) with them.

Why is this such a thing now? Can't dogs be left alone any more?
A couple of the dogs were growling at each other and owners were having to drag them apart.
It happens all the time these days - pubs, cafes, restaurants, shops but only a few years ago it would have been so weird and only guide dogs were allowed into places, especially places serving food.

I love dogs but I know several people who are scared of them & find it difficult to have to encounter them everywhere these days.

Is it unreasonable to think dogs should be kept at home?

(Sorry could add a poll for some reason)

It's a fairly new thing for dogs not to be allowed in some pubs.
Traditionally dogs went everywhere with us.
Pubs in general, have allowed dogs for centuries.
I'm not responding to whether there's a should or shouldn't, more so to the 'nows'. 'Why are dogs everywhere now?' 'Why are dogs in pubs NOW?!'
It's more unusual historically for them not to be. It isn't something new.

Hahahaha 😆

Nobody turns up to shops or restaurants or cafés or parks designed for humans with their hamster or cat or rabbit or gerbil or rats or tarantula or parrot and expects others to accommodate this because the owner happens to find its smell/ excertions/ saliva/ unwelcome advances to others adorable. It is a mystery why dog owners are unique in thinking other people should have their pet forced onto them in human public spaces, sheer entitlement

Because dogs have been bred to live and work alongside humans for about 30,000 years. No one is bringing a wolf into your local.

I think people who stare at dog’s backsides shouldn’t be allowed in pubs.

It is a tiny shop with rails of clothes throughout the floor space and the German shepherd was up to my thigh pushing through clothes.

I actively prefer pubs that allow dogs. 🐶

Pubs I don't mind so much as long as they're behaving and not on seats/near food.

Restaurants/cafés I really think it's gross and puts me off going there. Guide dogs obviously completely different!

So long as they're not muscle dogs and reasonably trained they're great.

My old staffie loved the pub!

I know it seems hard for some people to understand but children are small humans so have a reason to be in human spaces such as pubs, shops, etc. Dogs are not humans, so do not belong in public human spaces.

There would be no humans at all if there were not children. Even if you find them inconvenient sometimes they have a purpose in human society because they ARE our society and our future. Human society could continue just fine without dogs, with the exception of a few guide dogs and farm dogs which nobody has objected to. The very odd posters who appear on every single thread about antisocial behaviour from dog owners who try to equate dogs with human children are quite disturbing and indicate some people perhaps have not had proper "socialisation" themselves if they don't understand the difference between a human child and a dog and why the former should be welcomed in public spaces and the latter has no justifiable reason to be there.

If they've been "bred" to coexist with humans for 30,000 years and are still incapable of doing so without causing a great deal of inconvenience, spreading germs everywhere, excreting in shops/ pubs/ on pavements, biting people, damaging items in shops, behaving inappropriately and bothering strangers, etc then perhaps the logical conclusion might be that - given they are not humans - it is very clear most human environments aren't appropriate for them.

They're quite happy in gardens or designated dog exercise fields or running around a farm: in appropriate environments for their species. Restaurants, shops, cafés etc are not appropriate environments for their species, otherwise presumably they have constructed such things for themselves by now after spending 30,000 years around another species from which they could learn how to do so.

Your attempted "argument" demonstrates my point.

Dogs have always been in pubs, this is not new although the numbers may have increased due to the current obsession with taking them everywhere

I knew of someone who used to take his pet fox up the pub, probably took the ferret. Don't think they ever took the python

If I had a dog I think I would take it to the pub after taking it for a long walk.

And how do you feel about cats that roam freely?

I don't think that's appropriate, either. They destroy wildlife and damage other people's property. That law needs to be changed.

With any pet the responsibility should be upon the owner to provide an appropriate living environment, not try to use other people's property or human public areas to do so. If you do not have the appropriate facilities and won't invest in the required borders to you property to contain you animals then that animal is not an appropriate pet for you to choose. The same principle in law that applies to anything else people do that damages other people's property, like planting invasive plants that cross boundaries or illegal building works that impact a neighbour's use of their own property. I don't see cat owners demanding their cat should be taken with them to restaurants or shops, though. The entitlement of dog owners is on a level of its own.

How would you feel if your neighbour decided to keep a large number of birds and let them poo all over your garden? That's just as natural for them as it is for a cat to "roam" or for a dog to excrete wherever it feels like it in public spaces. There was a thread here just a few days ago about a dog urinating all over a woman's shopping bag before she left the shop with her purchases. Disgusting.

Why should other people's have to endure such things to accommodate other people's choice of pet? No convincing argument as to why other people should have to tolerate this - particularly given the hygience, allergy etc issues caused by this inappropriate behaviour - has ever been provided as far as I have seen.

Perhaps you could enlighten us why other people should tolerate exacerbating of health problems, dog attacks, destruction of wildlife, excrement in public places/ in their gardens, spreading of bacteria, disgusting smells, destruction of their own gardens etc ti accommodate other people deciding to adopt animals that they clearly do not have the right facilities/ space of their own to care for adequately?

Id rather have a dog in a pub than kids.

That's your preference, not a rational justification for the weird assertions that animals should occupy human spaces but humans should not.

You have captured exactly how I feel about this issue. I am sick of other people's cats ruining my garden and other people's dogs in human spaces.

The people who own these ‘spaces’ aka businesses don’t agree with you. They are inviting dogs and their owners in. Tough on you if you don’t like it. Not your ‘space’ not your decision.

@ThisPageIsBlank is the reason I prefer dogs to people.

Would you prefer a well-behaved child over a badly-behaved dog?

No one wants a badly behaved anything in a pub or in a restaurant, cafe or anything else we now seem to be calling ‘human spaces’. Your well behaved kid though will impact people enjoying a beer as much a barking dog will.

Pub gardens yes, indoors no.
Some owners even let them eat off the table or sit on the chairs like children. It's disgusting. They're animals, not children.

We don't want to sit outside on a rainy January thanks. So we will continue as we are

Exactly. Proprietor thinks it’s ok, random MNer doesn’t. Whose opinion matters most, I wonder.

Whether people agree with dogs in pubs or not if an establishment allows dogs and someone then chooses to go into said pub they accept the terms of service that pub offers.

It’s like saying I don’t like kids and then going to a family hotel in Tenerife, what did you think will happen.

Your well behaved kid though will impact people enjoying a beer as much a barking dog will.

I have read this sentence half a dozen times and I still can't get it to make sense.