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Breastfeeding comment

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PregnantAtLast · 01/01/2025 07:42

I'm currently 2 months pregnant. Shared the good news with parents over Christmas, all lovely.

I told my mum I'd be breastfeeding when she asked. She said "Oh, will you be getting one of those shawls like your cousin had?"
(Basically to cover myself and the baby when I am feeding).

It made me feel really uncomfortable that she expects me to cover myself feeding my child in my own family home.

AIBU to push back on this and insist on feeding how I want to, or do I need to respect her wishes when I'm in her home?

OP posts:
Anotherandmore · 02/01/2025 19:29

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:15

You also don’t create change by going along with discrimination saying “Well one day things will be different”. It’s on us all to create positive change.

The going NC comments have been borne from an imaginary scenario that has taken more hold than the story in the OP 😂 but the point is, no new mum should have to go to great lengths to accommodate the discrimination of others so the sensible solution is to avoid seeing people who banish them from the room to BF or make them wear a big cloth. That could naturally progress to reduced contact and would entirely be the fault of the offended person

No ‘great lengths’ required, a bit of compromise from both sides is all that’s needed.

Hopefully my breastfeeding for 5 years, often while out and about, will have effected some positive change? My kids see it as an entirety normal thing now even though older relatives didn’t when they were growing up.

Nanny0gg · 02/01/2025 19:35

ZingyGreyTiger · 01/01/2025 08:32

Many people’s responses are very odd and I can only assume all the people thinking that you should cover up didn’t breastfeed. The number 1 rule of breastfeeding is that the nursing mum has to be comfortable. if don’t want to cover up, don’t. If anyone has an issue with that, it’s their issue. I wore nursing tops so was fairly discreet. Lots of babies don’t like the covers and won’t feed under them anyway. You’re going to need to be resilient and tenacious (and bloodyminded) to successfully breastfeed if you don’t have people around you supporting you to breastfeed. Stay strong 💪

Oh, but I did

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:36

MrsSunshine2b · 02/01/2025 19:21

On @ShesNotACowShesAFox there's plenty scenarios.

"When you come over, are you going to wear clothes/ a covering to cover your birthmark?"
"When you come over with your partner, will you just act as if you're friends and not sitting close to each other or touching/kissing one another?"
"You're not going to bring your Asian/black friend to the party are you?"

None of these would be acceptable to any reasonable person.

Indeed. People are happy to claim that a homeworkers comfort trumps everyone else but only in a situation where they can throw women under the bus. I bet my life no one would say these examples are acceptable

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:37

MrsSunshine2b · 02/01/2025 19:22

They mean "we don't deliberately obstruct mothers from feeding their children."

“Unless it’s in front of granny” 🤣

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 02/01/2025 19:39

You are only 2 months. Breastfeeding is so difficult, I don’t think it’s possible to know how what you want to do in terms of using a cover versus not or anything else related to breastfeeding until you actually get to that point. Just wait and see

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:39

Katypp · 02/01/2025 19:25

I think most dissenters on this thread support breastfeeding.Why wouldn't they?
But, speaking for myself, I support the mum's right to be comfortable in her own home, have her boundaries (VERY popular on MN) and not be dictated to by a visitor.
I think the pps who seemingly would be happy to not see their mother over this issue need to learn to compromise, need to learn that the world does not revolve around them and need to learn that just because someone has different views to you doesn't make them wrong.
I am sure the militant bfeeders on this thread are congratulating themselves on advocating for their baby and patting themselves on the back for making a stand on bfeeding.
You cannot force someone to change their views, no matter how right you are convinced you are, so the choice is either fall out or compromise.

So you support the right of a BF mum to be comfortable in her own home but as soon as she steps out the door, fuck her comfort?

Thank god the law disagrees with you!

I’ll ask again - why wouldn’t you WANT better for women? And what about the above scenarios - is it valid if someone is uncomfortable with say a child having a birth mark of their face and throwing them a shawl as long as it’s in their own home

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:40

Anotherandmore · 02/01/2025 19:29

No ‘great lengths’ required, a bit of compromise from both sides is all that’s needed.

Hopefully my breastfeeding for 5 years, often while out and about, will have effected some positive change? My kids see it as an entirety normal thing now even though older relatives didn’t when they were growing up.

Of course it’s great lengths if you are struggling, have a fussy baby, struggling to match, doesn’t like a shawl etc. These are all very common.

You know what’s never hard? Using your neck muscles and turning away

Feelinadequate23 · 02/01/2025 19:41

Katypp · 02/01/2025 16:56

It seems to me that this generation of mothers seem to genuinely think they are the first women to have ever had babies and the first generation to breastfeed.
They are not, I'm afraid. But they are evidently the first generation of women who seem to have no qualms about putting themselves first at the expense of everyone else and being quite abusive to those who don;t agree with their world view.
So yes, shut everyone out who doesn't run around at your every whim and do as you say.
Just be ready for the same to happen to you in 20+ years time.

Funnily enough we’ll be helpful and respectful to ours daughters and daughters in law, not judgemental and difficult…

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:47

Feelinadequate23 · 02/01/2025 19:41

Funnily enough we’ll be helpful and respectful to ours daughters and daughters in law, not judgemental and difficult…

Mine are almost 8 and 12 and they’re already making me feel uncomfortable in my own home with the cavalier attitude to wearing anything other than underwear (DS, who
will often wear boxers and, if we’re lucky, a football top in the home) and VERY heavy overuse of So body sprays (DD, who has made it her life’s mission to smell like a tart’s handbag as my mother would say). I behave like the big girl that I am and accept it’s part of life and whilst I’d prefer trousers on and much less body spray, life doesn’t revolve around me. I’ll keep this stance long after they’ve moved out because I rather like my children and want them to always see my home as their home.

A shame a woman with adult children can’t do the same.

Anotherandmore · 02/01/2025 20:31

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:40

Of course it’s great lengths if you are struggling, have a fussy baby, struggling to match, doesn’t like a shawl etc. These are all very common.

You know what’s never hard? Using your neck muscles and turning away

Yes I do know babies can be fussy and latching may not be straightforward especially at the beginning.

By not going to great lengths and compromising I simply meant OP could maybe talk things through with her mum - who probably has no experience of BF and doesn’t know quite what to expect. It’s clear her parents don’t want to see her breasts. She can explain there will be nothing to see while baby is actually feeding, and that latch on/off is the only time they need to work out a strategy for if they are uncomfortable. Maybe she could plan to just verbally let her parents know when she needs to latch baby on and they could look away as you say, or busy themselves with something else for a few moments. I’m sure they can work something out.

Maybe OP and her parents could accept that they’re from different generations and that that impacts on how they see things? That BF is very normal but that it’s something the older generation perhaps aren’t used to and acknowledge that they may struggle with it at first through no fault of their own. But they can try to adapt and OP can try not to take their discomfort as a personal affront.

So just talking and thinking mainly is what I mean. You can see things differently to someone else and still have a great relationship.

I found light muslins (as opposed to heavy shawls) handy myself. Not just to be discreet, but it’s good to have a cloth nearby!

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 20:54

Anotherandmore · 02/01/2025 20:31

Yes I do know babies can be fussy and latching may not be straightforward especially at the beginning.

By not going to great lengths and compromising I simply meant OP could maybe talk things through with her mum - who probably has no experience of BF and doesn’t know quite what to expect. It’s clear her parents don’t want to see her breasts. She can explain there will be nothing to see while baby is actually feeding, and that latch on/off is the only time they need to work out a strategy for if they are uncomfortable. Maybe she could plan to just verbally let her parents know when she needs to latch baby on and they could look away as you say, or busy themselves with something else for a few moments. I’m sure they can work something out.

Maybe OP and her parents could accept that they’re from different generations and that that impacts on how they see things? That BF is very normal but that it’s something the older generation perhaps aren’t used to and acknowledge that they may struggle with it at first through no fault of their own. But they can try to adapt and OP can try not to take their discomfort as a personal affront.

So just talking and thinking mainly is what I mean. You can see things differently to someone else and still have a great relationship.

I found light muslins (as opposed to heavy shawls) handy myself. Not just to be discreet, but it’s good to have a cloth nearby!

Edited

This sounds like a lot of faff to persuade the people who love you the most not to discriminate against you. An easier solution would be the parents get over it

Katypp · 02/01/2025 21:01

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 20:54

This sounds like a lot of faff to persuade the people who love you the most not to discriminate against you. An easier solution would be the parents get over it

What an unpleasant and uncompromising attitude.

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:01

Katypp · 02/01/2025 21:01

What an unpleasant and uncompromising attitude.

Why should anyone have to compromise with misogynists?

Would you expect a black person to persuade someone not to be racist? And if they didn’t want to they’re unpleasant?

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:02

Fortunately many of as are SO done with the #BeKind attitude of begging and reasoning with someone for basic human respect. Fuck that.

Katypp · 02/01/2025 21:02

Feelinadequate23 · 02/01/2025 19:41

Funnily enough we’ll be helpful and respectful to ours daughters and daughters in law, not judgemental and difficult…

Yes I'm sure everyone thinks that.
It's a bit different when you're on the other side and being patronised and talked down to by someone who thinks they know best. Wait and see.

Katypp · 02/01/2025 21:04

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:01

Why should anyone have to compromise with misogynists?

Would you expect a black person to persuade someone not to be racist? And if they didn’t want to they’re unpleasant?

Why are you so hung up on this silly comparison with racism. Asking your daughter if she wants a scarf for bfeeding has is no way comparable to allowing racism in your house. You are being ridiculous.

Supssups · 02/01/2025 21:05

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:02

Fortunately many of as are SO done with the #BeKind attitude of begging and reasoning with someone for basic human respect. Fuck that.

seeing as the voting is currently 52% saying the poster is being unreasonable, perhaps you might consider that the majority think respect works both ways in human relationships?

Anotherandmore · 02/01/2025 21:08

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:01

Why should anyone have to compromise with misogynists?

Would you expect a black person to persuade someone not to be racist? And if they didn’t want to they’re unpleasant?

Totally different situation.
It’s actually embarrassing that you’re comparing this to racism.

StormingNorman · 02/01/2025 21:10

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 16:53

But it IS misogynistic

I can’t believe you would claim otherwise

Let’s break it down…

what is your problem with breastfeeding (royal ‘you’)?

Feeding babies? Can’t be. You don’t want to throw a blanket over a bottle fed baby

The skin of the breast? Can’t be. You see skin every day and don’t start getting offended

The nipple? Can’t be. You don’t even see the nipple anyway, the baby’s head covers it, but even so unless you never go swimming or on holiday by principle of nipples offend you, then you can’t be offended by it.

Whats left to consider?

ill tell you what’s left - you’ve been raised in a society that tells you women’s “tits” are more pleasure - male pleasure. And are therefore sexual. Therefore using “tits” for someone who isn’t a man is a sexual act. You equate breastfeeding with a sexual act. Which frankly makes you a bit of a weirdo, and you probably need to keep away from kids yourself.

Edited

Seeing breastfeeding as a sexual act is incredibly niche. That’s more a you thing than a royal you thing. I don’t think your logical conclusion holds true for a lot of people. They may think an exposed breast is too sexual, but they wouldn’t see breastfeeding as sexual.

Most people accept that certain parts of the body can have sexual and non-sexual functions.

StormingNorman · 02/01/2025 21:16

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 19:40

Of course it’s great lengths if you are struggling, have a fussy baby, struggling to match, doesn’t like a shawl etc. These are all very common.

You know what’s never hard? Using your neck muscles and turning away

Would it be a win for you if you were sat in your mum’s sitting room breastfeeding and they turned around so as not to see it, or if they went to another room?

What gives you the right to impose your choice on other people in their home?

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:28

Katypp · 02/01/2025 21:02

Yes I'm sure everyone thinks that.
It's a bit different when you're on the other side and being patronised and talked down to by someone who thinks they know best. Wait and see.

I wouldn’t treat my loved ones like that thanks

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:29

Katypp · 02/01/2025 21:04

Why are you so hung up on this silly comparison with racism. Asking your daughter if she wants a scarf for bfeeding has is no way comparable to allowing racism in your house. You are being ridiculous.

Why won’t you answer the question?

Misogyny - of which the anti-breastfeeding stance is part of, this is not under question - is perfectly comparable to racism.

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:34

Anotherandmore · 02/01/2025 21:08

Totally different situation.
It’s actually embarrassing that you’re comparing this to racism.

Edited

Misogyny and racism are perfectly comparable

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:35

StormingNorman · 02/01/2025 21:10

Seeing breastfeeding as a sexual act is incredibly niche. That’s more a you thing than a royal you thing. I don’t think your logical conclusion holds true for a lot of people. They may think an exposed breast is too sexual, but they wouldn’t see breastfeeding as sexual.

Most people accept that certain parts of the body can have sexual and non-sexual functions.

Like hands? But I’m assuming hands don’t make you uncomfortable?

What is it from my list that you don’t like about breastfeeding?

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 02/01/2025 21:35

StormingNorman · 02/01/2025 21:16

Would it be a win for you if you were sat in your mum’s sitting room breastfeeding and they turned around so as not to see it, or if they went to another room?

What gives you the right to impose your choice on other people in their home?

A baby doesn’t choose how it’s fed. Their right to feed trumps a half wit’s right to misogyny