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To think of you're going to answer questions with "yeah.." or "no...." At a social event, then fuck offfff

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fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 16:06

Why bother coming out to meet people if you can't even engage in basic conversations with people who are all there to get to know each other?
We were out for a birthday brunch this morning with about 20 people, some we knew, some we didn't as it was for a mutual friend (Graham)
Me .. spying someone unfamiliar at our table..."hi, I'm Fairy, what's your name?
Him: "John "
Me: "great. How you know Graham "
John: " through a friend, Steve"
Me: "oh, yes I know Steve, he's lovely, how do you know Steve?
John" work'
Me: "So, what do you do with Steve?"
John: "Software engineer"
Me: "great what kind of thing? Im a software engineer too..."
John: "Nothing interesting....'
Me: "Oh... Ok. So ... Got any holidays booked?"
John: "No."Tumble weed

"Ok, lovely to meet you ... I'll go and see Graham is okay "

Ugh

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Thatcastlethere · 31/12/2024 22:15

YellowPixie · 31/12/2024 22:11

So, you go and find someone who reciprocates. Which you did. I’m hella extrovert but I can tell instantly when my bubbly energy is NOT what someone needs and I think nothing more of it.

But according to a lot of people on here that is rude too. You shouldn't just leave them to it, you should sit with them and not say anything, and let them warm up, and start to feel comfortable with them, and then let them dictate the pace or whatever, for however long it takes, even if in all that time you could have chatted to 10 other people. And you sit there all night to allow this poor man the chance to get comfortable with you, then discover that you have nothing in common and you've wasted your night.

These sorts of parties are like speed dating. Nothing in common? Nice to meet you, just heading off to get another drink.... and start chatting to someone else. You just can't win.

No one has said that.
Just that if you want to make friends with someone who seems to struggle socially then that's how you might go about it.
Literally no one has suggested that you should stay talking to someone if it's clear they aren't really engaging, and that's making you uncomfortable, out of politeness. Totally valid to go off and seek the conversation you desire elsewhere.

Plastictrees · 31/12/2024 22:15

BlueSky2023 · 31/12/2024 22:14

Agree, going by her responses, she dosen’t come across well,

To be fair, I think a lot of posters aren’t coming across well in the thread! Happy new year all 😅

Plastictrees · 31/12/2024 22:17

SaffronsMadAboutMe · 31/12/2024 22:15

until these amazing, fascinating, witty party people tell me how to do it in a more interesting way.

And this is why no-one wants to bother helping you because you're making yourself sound really arsey.

Perhaps another reason why the guy didn't want to engage with you?

You are hardly a ray of sunshine in this thread!

Salad666 · 31/12/2024 22:17

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:00

Wow, you'd struggle with being kidnapped by some military rebels ha ha if you think asking someone their name at a party is interrogation 😁 😁 😁

It's not that you asked for a name fgs. It's question after question after question when it was clear he didn't want to engage. Now you think you have the right to be angry at him about a situation you created. Again, he wasn't there for you, he was there for his friend, if he didn't want to talk to you then that's perfectly fine. I'm not sure how you're not understanding that.

Screamingabdabz · 31/12/2024 22:17

John is a rude cunt. 100%. YANBU.

Next time Graham mentions brunch, you need to publicly and widely announce that you hope he doesn’t invite John, as John clearly can’t cope socially around grown ups.

peacockbluefeather · 31/12/2024 22:17

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:14

Ok

Oh, I thought one-word responses were rude, weird, and earnt one a "fuck offff".

SaffronsMadAboutMe · 31/12/2024 22:19

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:15

Ah. So you have no great/better openers then.

So I'm fine thanks.

I (like many others on this thread) will have plenty but you're not coming across as the sort of person who really wants help.

Or as a nice enough person that people might put themselves out to help.

If you're not willing to self-reflect, you'll always find yourself in the company of people who would really rather not engage with you, just like you did at the brunch.

firef1y · 31/12/2024 22:19

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:10

Well then..

He can fuck off to another table then :p

You do know you could have moved too.
Maybe that particular seat positioned him so that he could observe everything going on and was just right temperature wise with no drafts from the window.
Maybe he just fancied sitting in that seat for no reason whatsoever. Maybe he wanted to chat with someone else on the table and was waiting for the right moment, then you decided that he must have wanted you to drag him out of his misery.

Unless seating was named I'm sure he had as much right to sit there as anyone else.

HoppityBun · 31/12/2024 22:19

John: "Software engineer"

well there’s another thread on here about stereotypes in jobs, so.. this fits?

YellowPixie · 31/12/2024 22:20

SheSaidHummingbird · 31/12/2024 22:02

@fanaticalfairy I feel this so stongly.

Please come and find me at the next social event; I promise I'll answer in full sentences and ask you questions in return. In the old days, we used to call this phenomenon 'Having A Conversation".

Count me in too ladies, always up for a good old chat/interrogation.

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 31/12/2024 22:20

Next time Graham mentions brunch, you need to publicly and widely announce that you hope he doesn’t invite John, as John clearly can’t cope socially around grown ups.

This doesn’t demonstrate the adult social skills you probably think it does

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:20

peacockbluefeather · 31/12/2024 22:17

Oh, I thought one-word responses were rude, weird, and earnt one a "fuck offff".

Yep.

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SaffronsMadAboutMe · 31/12/2024 22:21

Plastictrees · 31/12/2024 22:17

You are hardly a ray of sunshine in this thread!

I'm not the one moaning that people are trying to avoid speaking to me at social events.

DonnaBanana · 31/12/2024 22:22

Chowtime · 31/12/2024 16:12

Why do you go to them then?

“Sorry, friend, but I’m not going to attend your birthday brunch because I’m not great at conversation and don’t want to talk to your other friends.” Oh yeah that’ll go down well. Or maybe he was there because he went with his partner..

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:22

Just want to clarify. John isn't actually a software engineer, nor is his name John, not is he indeed a man. Didn't even happen today, but 3 days ago.

Details like that were changed so as not to identify real people.

But it was a celebration at a restaurant for a mutual friend and this conversation did happen as described.

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Thatcastlethere · 31/12/2024 22:23

Screamingabdabz · 31/12/2024 22:17

John is a rude cunt. 100%. YANBU.

Next time Graham mentions brunch, you need to publicly and widely announce that you hope he doesn’t invite John, as John clearly can’t cope socially around grown ups.

If I were Graham I'd point out to you that it were you who was the one being incredibly immature.

But by that token OP can you not actually get to the bottom of this by just asking what's up with John?
In a nice way obviously.
Something like "Your friend John seemed quite down at your birthday party the other day.. he was very quiet, is he OK?"
And then you will once and for all get to the bottom of this because it will be "oh that's just john" = he has social anxiety or autism or something like that..
Or
"Yes his mum just died im surprised he even came out"
Or
"Oh really, he's usually the life and soul??" He hated you for some reason and was intentionally shutting down the convo.
Or
"John's a rude twat I just felt obliged to invite him for some reason" you are correct in your assessment of john

TwigletsAndRadishes · 31/12/2024 22:24

Lots of assumptions being made on here: that OP is so utterly self confident and socially adept that she was not at all upset by someone being rude with her - and of course can take any amount of goading and insults on here in her stride. That 'John' was not in fact rude but had social anxiety, despite zero evidence either way.

Good point. This could just as easily be a case of a socially anxious, neurodivergent OP who doesn't read social cues well. She's spent a lot of time and effort watching how others behave in social situations. She practices asking questions and making one question lead to another to form a conversation, in an effort to mimic them. She plasters on a big smile and plucks up the courage to try it out her conversational technique on the man at the table because she thinks it's expected of her.

He's perfectly NT, not shy, just doesn't want to get stuck talking to a loser who is trying a bit too hard. He looks her up and down, decides she's a bit of an awkward oddball and he can't be bothered to chat so he does his best to shake her off by being monosyllabic and aloof. It works, but OP is crushed and confused. It's not how she thought it was supposed to go when she did everything right, and her confidence is now knocked.

HRTQueen · 31/12/2024 22:28

I find this sort of small talk really really difficult

I just don’t know what to say I can have sleepless nights worrying about what I shall say at social gatherings

ask me a question about an interest I have and I won’t shut up but that comes later when you get to know someone

how I have made friends I don’t know 😆

its not intentional

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 31/12/2024 22:29

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:22

Just want to clarify. John isn't actually a software engineer, nor is his name John, not is he indeed a man. Didn't even happen today, but 3 days ago.

Details like that were changed so as not to identify real people.

But it was a celebration at a restaurant for a mutual friend and this conversation did happen as described.

You big liar. Next you're going to tell us your name isn't even Fairy!

User37482 · 31/12/2024 22:32

PietariKontio · 31/12/2024 21:44

My take as someone with a lifelong social anxiety disorder, who can not predict how I’ll respond in a social situation from being able to mask how I’m feeling and take social confidence, to basically being unable to talk and wanting to run out of the room.

But I still occasionally venture out into social situations, sometimes cos someone I care about wanted/needed me there, or because I was trying for the 17,472nd time to be a functioning human.

If I’d been the person you’d approached (unlikely as I have a massive RBF, which my wife knows is actually Scared Shitless Face, bot others would see as Go Away Face) I might have been able to sync up and go through motions to please the social norms, but equally I may not have been able to and could have been as limited in my responses as he was, or worse.

As I said I can’t always predict how I’ll respond, thinking that someone (I’m not saying you or them mean to) is judging me on how socially skilled I’m not being, will always make worse.

The thing is, as difficult as you found it, I would have found it 100 times worse. You didn’t, OP, doing anything wrong, but equally I dont think he did either. You both didn’t match up in regard of social interaction, and went your separate ways. No home, no foul.

Where I disagree completely with you, is in the judgement and ‘fuck of’ nature of your appraisal of the encounter. In those sort of situations I have no right to expect people not to talk to me or ask questions, but equally you have no right to expect a particular response from me.

You asked for a tip or ice breaker, well I can’t give you that, but I can share what’s more likely to make things easier for me, if you really do care about engaging with ppl with social anxiety disorders like me.

Ask fewer questions, and talk more about yourself, the pressure is lowered for me to ‘engage and share’ and I can learn about you, which I do genuinely enjoy, and warm into the interaction, and gradually share more of myself.

if you don’t want to, fine, I don’t think you should, I don’t expect that, but for me, and I’m sure others like me, that would have the best chance is success.

The problem with this is most of us are brought up to think that mainly talking about ourselves is rude. I would feel rude and like I was showing no interest in another person if I did this.

I know a really nice mum who I think is socially awkward but I just can’t do that monosyllabic conversation. It’s impossible to keep trying with someone when you seem to be carrying all the load of the conversation. I think it’s different when someone just doesn’t want to talk to you so you just move on. But it’s harder to tell the difference. I have no idea of I’m speaking to someone who’s autistic or not or has social anxiety (initially) and I have diagnosed social anxiety myself.

Cheesyfootballs01 · 31/12/2024 22:32

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ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 31/12/2024 22:33

Thinking about this further, one thing I might have done differently was to chat about the event rather than about work: “this restaurant is nice, isn’t it? The avocado on toast was great, what did you have?” But that’s mainly because I always find work questions very difficult to answer as unless people work for the same organisation as I do, I can’t tell them anything more than “just data stuff”.

User37482 · 31/12/2024 22:34

TwigletsAndRadishes · 31/12/2024 22:24

Lots of assumptions being made on here: that OP is so utterly self confident and socially adept that she was not at all upset by someone being rude with her - and of course can take any amount of goading and insults on here in her stride. That 'John' was not in fact rude but had social anxiety, despite zero evidence either way.

Good point. This could just as easily be a case of a socially anxious, neurodivergent OP who doesn't read social cues well. She's spent a lot of time and effort watching how others behave in social situations. She practices asking questions and making one question lead to another to form a conversation, in an effort to mimic them. She plasters on a big smile and plucks up the courage to try it out her conversational technique on the man at the table because she thinks it's expected of her.

He's perfectly NT, not shy, just doesn't want to get stuck talking to a loser who is trying a bit too hard. He looks her up and down, decides she's a bit of an awkward oddball and he can't be bothered to chat so he does his best to shake her off by being monosyllabic and aloof. It works, but OP is crushed and confused. It's not how she thought it was supposed to go when she did everything right, and her confidence is now knocked.

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This is me lol.

fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:35

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So?

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fanaticalfairy · 31/12/2024 22:36

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 31/12/2024 22:29

You big liar. Next you're going to tell us your name isn't even Fairy!

Damnit ... It's actually Unicorn.

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