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This country as gone into terminal decline

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Carmes · 29/12/2024 08:38

I have 2 young children in school.

I am becoming more and more anxious about what sort of jobs / careers they will have open to them.

I work for very large company with 10,000s of employees.

20 years ago whe I started work here there would be 100s of entry level jobs at any given time. These are jobs that don't require experience or a degree, ideal for a school leaver, and I know dozens of people who started their career this way.

Now there are maybe 10 jobs that would fit the same criteria.so. All the jobs have been offshored.
Now are the vacancies are for very specific technical skill set or experience.

This doesn't bode well for someone who has left school at 18'or even university.

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XenoBitch · 30/12/2024 19:47

Rhaenys · 30/12/2024 19:44

The reduction in truly entry level jobs has been shocking. I remember years ago joking that soon we’ll be needing degrees to wait on, and that’s not so far from the truth now!
Two different restaurants in my area recently put out job advertisements for waiting on staff, and both had minimum experience requirements of multiple years! How the hell are people supposed to get experience if nowhere will take them on without prior experience?! Are you expecting them to work for free until they’re deemed worthy of a paid position?

These were both minimum wage as well!

A lot of entry level jobs are being rebranded as apprenticeships now... a bullshit level 2 qualification that was never needed anyway, done full time over a year for about £4ph.

HelenaTranscart · 30/12/2024 19:48

twistyizzy · 29/12/2024 09:11

Right now we do yes but with a falling population why will we need more houses? Falling populations tend to continue falling because they are linked to the education of women. The higher the education level of women in a population, the fewer kids they have.

I believe it's rising levels of affluence that cause falls in population, not educating women (despite recent cost of living crisis). But the population is increasing in the UK due to immigration and therefore putting pressure on public infrastructure (to the tune of billions) ... but anyone who dares to say it is silenced/cancelled etc. However immigration is only one factor of many. Recommend reading Professor Matt Goodwin’s Substack for a very frank and clear analysis of why we're in managed decline

Bugbabe1970 · 30/12/2024 19:49

The country is short of plumbers. Electricians, builders - well paying jobs but looked down on these days

DBSFstupid · 30/12/2024 19:51

jackstini · 29/12/2024 09:13

Agree, people need to look at going in jobs you don't need degrees for that need a level of skill

AI is not going to plaster my walls or highlight my hair. There are so many jobs where AI is possible, but a human touch matters to some people and they will pay for that

Education seems to have gone through a ridiculous phase where almost every child is pushed towards university. For some that's fine, but for many they end up with useless degrees, tons of debt and are behind on work experience

@jackstini Blairs government did this. Education for all. What it actually did was create a two tier system. Colleges of further and higher education and polytechnics were renamed as 'Universities' and their educational value and reputation just did not cut it as a degree worth having when compared to the older institutions UCL, LSE, Bristol, Exeter... etc. Unfortunately It still matters where you were educated and there are so many with these second rate degrees ( as seen through an employers eyes) from second rate establishments.

Rhaenys · 30/12/2024 19:53

XenoBitch · 30/12/2024 19:47

A lot of entry level jobs are being rebranded as apprenticeships now... a bullshit level 2 qualification that was never needed anyway, done full time over a year for about £4ph.

I can see now that a lot of things have been over regulated, and have just ended up making things worse.
Like having to have certain GCSE grades to do apprenticeships, and having more restrictions on becoming self employed.

StarkleLittleTwink · 30/12/2024 19:55

I think younger people struggle more than they used to. As far as the U.K. is concerned, Brexit, the pandemic and 14 years of Tory incompetence and corruption have caused it. Now Starmer has to sort it out - what a job. Europe generally is in the same boat; it’ll get better - economies fluctuate over periods of time. You get the good, and the not so good.

Moll2020 · 30/12/2024 19:59

It’s the attitude I can’t stand. I’ve just left the hospital in my city, visiting a friend. As I walked through the main concourse, there were 2 kids pushing/racing around in a hospital wheelchair. WTF, why do parents think this is acceptable?

Shudahaddogs · 30/12/2024 20:13

Disagree, with your degrees. Honestly look at indeed or any other job site.

rainingsnoring · 30/12/2024 20:16

Mespher · 30/12/2024 18:34

I don't know where to start with this...

Ditto!

rainingsnoring · 30/12/2024 20:21

HelenaTranscart · 30/12/2024 19:48

I believe it's rising levels of affluence that cause falls in population, not educating women (despite recent cost of living crisis). But the population is increasing in the UK due to immigration and therefore putting pressure on public infrastructure (to the tune of billions) ... but anyone who dares to say it is silenced/cancelled etc. However immigration is only one factor of many. Recommend reading Professor Matt Goodwin’s Substack for a very frank and clear analysis of why we're in managed decline

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Are you seriously recommending this GB news bloke as an educator?!
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Admittedly, I have not read all his substacks but I've had a quick look at his twitter. I've heard it all 100 times over from similar blokes and women. There is nothing original or intelligent about it and he misses so, so much.
There are many excellent, highly educated and intelligent thinkers out there. He is most certainly not one of them.

x.com

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

PermanentTemporary · 30/12/2024 20:30

Polytechnics became universities in 1992 under John Major's government, nothing to do with Tony Blair.

HelenaTranscart · 30/12/2024 20:30

rainingsnoring · 30/12/2024 20:21

Are you seriously recommending this GB news bloke as an educator?!
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Admittedly, I have not read all his substacks but I've had a quick look at his twitter. I've heard it all 100 times over from similar blokes and women. There is nothing original or intelligent about it and he misses so, so much.
There are many excellent, highly educated and intelligent thinkers out there. He is most certainly not one of them.

He is highly educated and intelligent, so I refer to my previous statement "but anyone who dares to say it is silenced/cancelled etc."

rainingsnoring · 30/12/2024 20:36

HelenaTranscart · 30/12/2024 20:30

He is highly educated and intelligent, so I refer to my previous statement "but anyone who dares to say it is silenced/cancelled etc."

No one is silencing anyone unless you think that someone with the temerity to disagree with your assessment of this man is trying to silence you or him. I even linked to his twitter so that everyone can have a look! Why are some people so oddly sensitive nowadays?

He has some degrees from some relatively mediocre institutions and doesn't appear to say anything original so I remain to be convinced that he is highly educated and intelligent. As I said, there are some truly excellent thinkers out there but he is not one of them.

Papyrophile · 30/12/2024 20:50

there's a very real issue on social media if a person questions the accepted orthodoxy; it gets you cancelled. It happened to a relative. A misunderstanding explodes into depth bombing a young person's life and career.

HelenaTranscart · 30/12/2024 20:54

rainingsnoring · 30/12/2024 20:36

No one is silencing anyone unless you think that someone with the temerity to disagree with your assessment of this man is trying to silence you or him. I even linked to his twitter so that everyone can have a look! Why are some people so oddly sensitive nowadays?

He has some degrees from some relatively mediocre institutions and doesn't appear to say anything original so I remain to be convinced that he is highly educated and intelligent. As I said, there are some truly excellent thinkers out there but he is not one of them.

So are only Oxbridge educated people who appear in comics such as The Guardian entitled to an opinion?

Radiohat · 30/12/2024 20:58

We have too many trained scroungers & too many people who have never worker and have no intention of working & too many illegal immigrants who the state is also funding.

We have billions of people struggling on the bread line , we have elderly sitting in the cold & young without a future, working families struggling......

Changes need to be made in the UK

rainingsnoring · 30/12/2024 21:11

HelenaTranscart · 30/12/2024 20:54

So are only Oxbridge educated people who appear in comics such as The Guardian entitled to an opinion?

You are doing it again. That sensitive thing.
'So are only Oxbridge educated people who appear in comics such as The Guardian entitled to an opinion?'
These are your words, not mine.
I disagree that this man is intelligent, original or to be recommended as an educator. There is no need to take offence because someone disagrees with you.

ForGreyKoala · 30/12/2024 21:16

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XenoBitch · 30/12/2024 21:21

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Damn right!
Not everyone needs or wants a career. Some people are happy to go to work, do their shift, get paid, and not give a shiny shit about it the rest of the time. Some people can cope on not much, and are happy with an easier life.
And those people should still be paid enough to do that. The whole attitude that people who are on NMW have not tried hard enough, or lack enthusiasm, can die a death. NMW should be enough to live on, and have some luxuries too.
The people on low wages... they are the ones who were still out working during Covid. The were invaluable then, so the WFH bunch could have their many Amazon deliveries.
Yet when someone on a low wage complains how much things cost now... THEY are the ones that are blamed... instead of the cost of living crisis.

ForGreyKoala · 30/12/2024 21:28

XenoBitch · 30/12/2024 21:21

Damn right!
Not everyone needs or wants a career. Some people are happy to go to work, do their shift, get paid, and not give a shiny shit about it the rest of the time. Some people can cope on not much, and are happy with an easier life.
And those people should still be paid enough to do that. The whole attitude that people who are on NMW have not tried hard enough, or lack enthusiasm, can die a death. NMW should be enough to live on, and have some luxuries too.
The people on low wages... they are the ones who were still out working during Covid. The were invaluable then, so the WFH bunch could have their many Amazon deliveries.
Yet when someone on a low wage complains how much things cost now... THEY are the ones that are blamed... instead of the cost of living crisis.

Exactly. I never wanted a career, I worked to pay the bills and enjoy my life, Living to work is the very definition of no life at all to me. Obviously some people find gratification in that, but there is no reason we all should have to. Career snobs are the most boring people on earth!

StiffyByngsDogBartholomewsChristmasBone · 30/12/2024 21:33

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Yup. I have a job that pays a decent salary abd has a shift pattern that facilitates my many interests abd family duties outside work. Work pays the bills, nothing more.

HelenaTranscart · 30/12/2024 21:33

rainingsnoring · 30/12/2024 21:11

You are doing it again. That sensitive thing.
'So are only Oxbridge educated people who appear in comics such as The Guardian entitled to an opinion?'
These are your words, not mine.
I disagree that this man is intelligent, original or to be recommended as an educator. There is no need to take offence because someone disagrees with you.

Not taking offence at all, there needs to be more free and open debate, uncensored by legacy media. Read his substack before you dismiss him

ForGreyKoala · 30/12/2024 21:59

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I'm sure those who have worked in bars in Australia and China will be far more interesting people to talk to than your girls in their privileged, stifled, little bubble.

Even the children of the wealthy here tend to work in bars, shops etc. when they want/need to earn a little extra money, and they become more rounded people in the process. Thankfully we don't encounter many people with your attitude.

XenoBitch · 30/12/2024 22:02

StiffyByngsDogBartholomewsChristmasBone · 30/12/2024 21:33

Yup. I have a job that pays a decent salary abd has a shift pattern that facilitates my many interests abd family duties outside work. Work pays the bills, nothing more.

Yep, I used to have a job that paid the bills (and my hobbies and social life) too.

But we would now be blamed for not having any ambition when we cant spend as we used to, when the cost of living crisis is the real culprit.

MyPithyPoster · 30/12/2024 22:31

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