This country as gone into terminal decline

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I have 2 young children in school.

I am becoming more and more anxious about what sort of jobs / careers they will have open to them.

I work for very large company with 10,000s of employees.

20 years ago whe I started work here there would be 100s of entry level jobs at any given time. These are jobs that don't require experience or a degree, ideal for a school leaver, and I know dozens of people who started their career this way.

Now there are maybe 10 jobs that would fit the same criteria.so. All the jobs have been offshored.
Now are the vacancies are for very specific technical skill set or experience.

This doesn't bode well for someone who has left school at 18'or even university.

FFS, it is not just emptying your bin is it? It is taking your wheelie bin from your curb, to a truck, emptying the contents in that, and driving off to do the same, then back to the depot where the truck gets emptied.

I don't think you are capable of emptying your own bin at all, without the assistance of the guys with the truck and training to do it for you.

Then feel free to do that instead of every bin collection.
Go collect your Amazon parcel from the depot.
Learn to wipe your own ass, when your limbs have failed you and you can't actually do it alone. I am sure there is a YT video for that.
But yes, look down and laugh at the people on poor wage who are propping you up right now.

I am talking about teenagers. Most have far fewer responsibilities compared to other generations.

They may have a lot more school, and possible extra curricular stuff, but that isn't the same as the expectation of working and the experience of working.

It used to be really common for many teens to have significant home responsibility - caring for siblings, making the family meal, cleaning, mowing the lawn. This has lessened a lot.

And teen jobs are much harder to find. Teens under 16 aren't worth hiring in some sectors now, farm work for example, and there are just fewer jobs, and also a lot of parents and schools tell kids they are better off to concentrate on school work. But there is a lot kids get out of working that they can't get out of school.

I see more and more people that I hire who have no working experience before leaving school. My brother, who hires university grads for their final internships, finds that for many it is their first job at all.

I would quite like 20m people to move abroad from the UK -0we had 18m fewer people here when I was born here and I feel we are very very crowded now in the UK. Even if we are financially worse off from losing the 20m life could be better as there is more to life than money.

If 20m people left the Uk how would it function? Only about 25m work full time!

Yes, there is some interesting stuff that goes on in people's minds with this.

On the one hand the denigration of people in jobs like this as wage slaves, they have been promised more and deserve more.

On the other hand, we need to import workers because there aren't enough people to fill such jobs. These people are somehow not so elevated that it is unreasonable to expect them to work in such jobs.

And yet if anyone raises questions about this, and why we might not employ all those people who are looking for jobs instead, apparently they are bigots?

It becomes very clear at a certain point that there is some kind of projection going on with this, and that these workers are there primarily to prop up the lifestyles of those who wouldn't take those jobs if it were the only thing on offer.

It used to be really common for many teens to have significant home responsibility - caring for siblings, making the family meal, cleaning, mowing the lawn. This has lessened a lot.

Has it?

And teen jobs are much harder to find. Teens under 16 aren't worth hiring in some sectors now, farm work for example, and there are just fewer jobs, and also a lot of parents and schools tell kids they are better off to concentrate on school work. But there is a lot kids get out of working that they can't get out of school.

It’s defo harder to get a job, I worked p/t from 17 & throughout most of uni but the jobs I did are much harder to get or don’t really exist.

I disagree most people would be better off in the US- wages are higher but so is the cost of living- there is no work life balance and if you get sick unless you have a very high level job you are screwed- my brother emigrated to the US- made a fortune but lost it when he had a brain tumour- he stayed and got another job, but regrets not coming home.

Indeed. Once more the insidious notion that immigrants don't pay tax.

And who would those 20m people be whose loss would result in the country you would want to see?

The Prime Minister is asking UK regulators this week what can be done to improve growth so perhaps that will result in some good ideas.

it definitely won’t involve shipping out 20m workers! 😆 20m less pensioners would improve growth but I’m not sure who would take them or if they themselves would be up for it?

As I don't live in the UK Birkenhead means nothing to me! I didn't say there was anything wrong with teaching, merely that it is beneficial to get some exposure to other jobs, people, and ways of life. They obviously aren't planning on contributing to society by educating the world's children for long as you said they will be going from teaching into corporate jobs after travel so it seems they are merely using it as a stepping stone rather than due to some altruistic motive. Sounds deathly dull to me btw, but whatever floats their boat.

Yes we need bin men, manual workers and we need to pay them well. I agree these jobs shpuld be respected. But a lot of people going in these jobs is not going to revive the economy. We need to focus on stem education and jobs in technology. Yes, trades people will be needed but that's not the answer to country's economic problems.

India has become the 2nd biggest economy thanks to higher education in areas like engineering and computer technology. Now the government and companies are investing on manufacturing semi-conductors.
in US state of Utah has created a college dedicated to studies in gaming technology.

Whereas, in the UK which gave the world one of the greatest scientists over past centuries and where internet was developed, people are aiming for bin collection job and don't encourage interest in science and engineering. How depressing! UK needs more skilled workforce and they will be able in creating technology based businesses. Like many other Asian countries, US and a few other European countries are doing. Not all jobs are being removed by AI. In fact, there are jobs in AI and data.

A lot of these dull corporate jobs are enabling you to have a more comfortable life. Eg. Smartphone you are typing on is thanks to people working in corporate jobs, Internet companies, your air conditioning, fuel for your car or running heat or cooling in house are all part of that dull corporate world. In my opinion, unless we want to go back to living off grid like our ancestors did in pre-historical times, we should stop looking down at corporate jobs.

Trades/construction pay better nowadays in most cases I believe.

This.

Even brickies are making £45k in most areas nowadays (and loads more in some).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11903651/Some-bricklayers-earning-125-000-shortages.html

India is really not an economy to look up to in many ways - there is a huge skills gap and a significant proportion of their graduates are unemployable as their education system has not moved with the times. It has really restricted their ability to make the best of the "demographic dividend" where they have a very high proportion of population of working age, which should enable their economy to grow very rapidly (as we saw in the case of the "Asian Tigers"). While some of their educational establishments are excellent many are outdated (as they are in the UK) and the brightest and best (and richest) often seek postgraduate opportunities abroad. Poor educational opportunities also perpetuate the huge gap between rich and poor (and urban / rural).

Well, ideally you'd be the gaffer by that age and have a couple of young lads working for you. Not really out the question when you can have your own Ltd company by your early 20s.

Me?
You seem to think little of people on the bottom rungs... the people who empty your bins, and wipe your elderly relative's bottom.
I bet if one of your kids wanted to work in care, you would be ashamed.