This country as gone into terminal decline

[Carmes]

I have 2 young children in school.

I am becoming more and more anxious about what sort of jobs / careers they will have open to them.

I work for very large company with 10,000s of employees.

20 years ago whe I started work here there would be 100s of entry level jobs at any given time. These are jobs that don't require experience or a degree, ideal for a school leaver, and I know dozens of people who started their career this way.

Now there are maybe 10 jobs that would fit the same criteria.so. All the jobs have been offshored.
Now are the vacancies are for very specific technical skill set or experience.

This doesn't bode well for someone who has left school at 18'or even university.

Nearly spat out my tea🤣🤣🤣😅

The problem is in this post.
There's always a hateful slant and jibe, no wonder the young don't want to work with the generations managing the reigns.

Not so simple as that. Many companies do not allow staff to access client/business related data in a different country to where it is legally held. They would require a VPN or similar to be set up. That in itself is not difficult but the company would need to allow it and they are unlike to do that for a junior 18 year old who wants to “WFH” in Thailand.

But I agree that people with specialist skills or qualifications would likely be able to negotiate this sort of set up.

Not sure I completely agree. More and more children are being pushed/choosing STEM subjects as they/their parents/teachers see it as a great option for future careers. There are not actually enough high quality STEM jobs available and many of the STEM candidates are actually not good enough to compete in a global job market. Some of STEM options offered at college and university are chosen by too many unsuitable candidates. I think there are too many children being pushed into the roles you mention who don’t have that kind of brain. It’s quite sad.

You wouldn't want your kids doing it, but others should have to? Don't you think your kids would benefit from developing the same work ethic?

Curious as to what you mean by "I did it so that my kids don't have to"? Why would you doing that sort of work mean your kids don't have to? Do you mean you made lots of money in the end so you can support them instead of them having to do low-paid work at the start of their careers?

And what about their future kids? Should they not have to either? You say it's social mobility but it doesn't work if there's too many people chasing the best jobs, that they now feel entitled to because social mobility means they have higher expectations than their parents/grandparents. Isn't that what a lot of posters are saying on this thread - that people are refusing to do work that's "beneath" them and want to follow their skills and interests instead?

(Perhaps we should consider that not everyone can have the "best" jobs, and that working conditions and pay for other jobs should be reasonable?)

Your girls have worked hard for their goal of teaching overseas. I hope they don't encounter any bumps in the road, please impress upon them the need to stick it out overseas. The UK won't appreciate them and all their wonderful attributes. Make sure you encourage them to stay overseas at all costs!

I would quite like 20m people to move abroad from the UK -0we had 18m fewer people here when I was born here and I feel we are very very crowded now in the UK. Even if we are financially worse off from losing the 20m life could be better as there is more to life than money.

The Prime Minister is asking UK regulators this week what can be done to improve growth so perhaps that will result in some good ideas.

I’ve been following the H1B visa argument in America. Essentially some billionaire 1st gen Indian American let slip, during an ill thought out slagging off of American culture, that Indians were getting a shit load of visa’s to replace American tech (and other) workers.

During the inevitable fight that broke out between old school MAGAs and billionaire tech bro’s and Indians some stats were thrown around about how many onshore and offshore UK tech jobs have also gone to India over the last couple of years.

Companies like Cognizant pay thousands of Indians a fraction of what UK tech workers would be paid in areas such as tech testing.

It would be interesting to see which other industries have been quietly doing this.

To be fair, they have presumably picked up some work ethic from you if you have really clawed your way to the top from nothing. Although won't pass that on to their kids of they don't, it'll just be inherited wealth/the opportunities that brings.

Basically the issue here is that you have no concept of fairness - others should do the things you don't want for your kids. You don't give a shit about those outside your family. And don't seem to comprehend that not everyone can end up in the most lucrative jobs because we still need people to empty the bins and keep the lights on.

This attitude is everything that has gone wrong with this country. We moved towards social mobility and equality of opportunity, and those that won, like yourself, suddenly want to return to the days where inherited wealth is the biggest factor.

Everywhere is crowded - which countries should people go to?

Fucking hell there are some doom mongers on here!

If you've got young kids and you're having anxiety about what jobs they'll do as adults then you need to see a doctor!

Reminds me of the 'we'll never be allowed to travel overseas ever again/ go out without masks on' posts on here during Covid

Poor kids having to grow up with that kind of defeatist pessimism from a parent!

There are loads of entry level civil Service jobs that are open to school leavers.

I honestly don't recognise 90 percent of jobs advertised these days

Education is better than it was 20 years ago , with the national curriculum and Ofsted, so there is an expectation that children get better grades now. You can't do an apprenticeship now without having your English and maths GCSEs. Blairs focus was education education education and whereas 40 years ago only 10% went on to university and you could leave school at age 14, now education continues till 18 and 50% will go to university. So there aren't going to be 100's of jobs where you don't need qualifications like in the past. Employers want evidence of competency as it's harder to sack people now.

I don't know where to start with this...

bloody right.
it takes a certain type of extremely patient and tolerant person to be a carer. As I know from 5 years of my mum needing personal care. Some of the carers are absolute angels and I don't know how they do it, I wouldn't do it for my £45k salary let alone the terrible wages they get. I'm just not the right sort of person

domiciliary care is totally disrespected and carers financially abused by most employers in my opinion.

Quite
an old colleague of mine moved from his airport specialism in our police control room. He's now a senior manager in our London airport with a very well paid, highly respected role. He doesn't have a degree and started off his career as a 999 call handler.

When I was going into the job market. Getting 1st mortgage etc....it was easy....when with a lower paid job...now i feel so sorry for the young ones. I honestly cannot see a way forward for them. This must be the first generation to have a worse standard of living and a future that those who came before. It's not meant to be this way. So yes, I d be worried

'This must be the first generation to have a worse standard of living and a future that those who came before.'

Exactly @Crakajak
Lots of people seem to be in denial of this or perhaps they only exist in their own little bubbles. It's a shame they connect so little with the rest of the world.

Indeed. It's funny how they were all anti immigration and pro throwing people out of the country but have totally the opposite principle when it comes to their own business interests. Sickening level of hypocrisy, self serving and a total lack of insight.

The reduction in truly entry level jobs has been shocking. I remember years ago joking that soon we’ll be needing degrees to wait on, and that’s not so far from the truth now!
Two different restaurants in my area recently put out job advertisements for waiting on staff, and both had minimum experience requirements of multiple years! How the hell are people supposed to get experience if nowhere will take them on without prior experience?! Are you expecting them to work for free until they’re deemed worthy of a paid position?

These were both minimum wage as well!