This country as gone into terminal decline

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I have 2 young children in school.

I am becoming more and more anxious about what sort of jobs / careers they will have open to them.

I work for very large company with 10,000s of employees.

20 years ago whe I started work here there would be 100s of entry level jobs at any given time. These are jobs that don't require experience or a degree, ideal for a school leaver, and I know dozens of people who started their career this way.

Now there are maybe 10 jobs that would fit the same criteria.so. All the jobs have been offshored.
Now are the vacancies are for very specific technical skill set or experience.

This doesn't bode well for someone who has left school at 18'or even university.

Waste management to teaching how is that path going to be trodden exactly?

Both my daughters have first class honours degrees and are teaching stem subjects that they’re absolutely crying out for and it was competitive to be given places.

It's about having a job and learning work ethic and not relying on handouts. Many skills are transferable to teaching that he learns in his part time job, similar to a young person who chooses working in logistics or supermarkets.

I worked in hospitality aged 17, then care work aged 18+ which was related to my own degree and gave valuable work and life experience.

There are so many lazy young people getting molly coddled and can't cope with every day life.

Night shift is possible through bus services paying for ubers and car share with colleagues.

Luckily ds is daytime hours but just saying.

If they can pass the university course, they can manage every day life.

Working in waste management logistics or supermarkets might help them with short-term cash flow but it’s hardly a career enhancing opportunity.

As I said earlier in the thread I do wish mine had spent this summer’s gaining a little bit more relevant work experience.

But when push comes to shove, they got the jobs they did because of their first class honours degree. And possibly the relevant A-levels.

Actually @MyPithyPoster my son's experience in logistics has certainly enhanced his career. He joined a big logistics company during COVID as there were no apprenticeships being advertised. It was going to be temporary until lockdown lifted. As he had A'levels and has an excellent work ethic, he has been promoted, earns good money and now leads a team. Unlike many industries, logistics is a growth industry and if you're good at your job and reliable, there are good opportunities. Don't write logistics off as a career!

Next child down will probably want his own job as DS1 is in the States just now over Christmas funded via his part time job. He will see what's possible if you get out working at weekends whilst other teens are lying in their pits til goodness knows what time...

Your DC have done well, but often many can't adapt well to the real world after they graduate. They often end up working in retail after doing a completely useless degree...

I was doing agency work on top of academic study, and 37.5 h weeks as a teenager/young adult. I just got on with it and didn't know any different.

Well said!!!

Lots on this thread just focused purely on academics and look down their noses at any other possible route...very short sighted!

‘Hardly Career enhancing’? This is possibly the attitude from parents thats failing our young people. Examples start at home - if we teach our children that some careers are beneath them then of course they won’t go and get jobs, any jobs, to enhance life skills.

Whether it’s waste management, pulling pints, or working in a supermarket, which my DC did whilst at uni prior to his PGCE then it shows a good work ethic. And employers do look at that, not just whether it was a first class degree obtained.

So true. All jobs have value regardless of whether they are paid well or otherwise. Experience is valuable in life. You cannot put a price on that.

I hope they aren't passing on your attitude to their students

Gosh. Lloyds must be really worried about their business loans.

Of course plenty of younger people share flats/ houses. I think the poster was trying to make the point that it is far more expensive and complicated than it was with guarantors required and potentially large deposits.
Many young/ even not so young people still live with their parents too as accommodation is now so expensive.
Very different to the situation 30/40 years ago.

He decided not to go into teaching as he enjoyed logistics so much. Actually I think it's the right decision. Who'd want to go into teaching these days eh?

I see nothing wrong with logistics as a sector.

19 yr ds has been in it full time since age 18.

Each to their own. My mother was a teacher. 4 of my children (and I) are solicitors and I would say in some parts of the country picking teaching is not making a "smart" choice as it means it will be harder to pay for things than some other jobs. Getting used to work however is good for everyone Working your way up will depend on the job and this came to mind -

Great, I'm pleased it's working out for them! And remember if it doesn't, dont rule out a career in logistics 😀

It wasn't going to be my main career! And now, half my life over, until they decide I'm too old and expensive and fire me, it's my only career😄

Absolutely the right decision.

I'm sure we all wish them a very long and successful teaching career overseas. Good luck to them