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To think they should take him to the vets

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Huggyhuggy · 28/12/2024 17:55

My mum and dads dog had a full box of ‘black magic’ dark chocolates yesterday and today has vomiting, wheezing, and is laid down looking very sorry for himself but they won’t take to the vets saying none will be open now

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WishinAndHopin · 28/12/2024 19:41

Porcuporpoise · 28/12/2024 19:35

No you can't just present so.eone else's pet for treatment and hope the vet bills the owners.

@Huggyhuggy you've done what you can. Hopefully the dog has vomited enough out to recover.

But we’ve taken pets to the vet on behalf of their owners before, how will they know the difference?

She could just say the parents can’t come today if asked.

Pupinskipops · 28/12/2024 19:41

Huggyhuggy · 28/12/2024 18:03

My mum has said ‘he’ll sleep it off’ I’m worried as he seems to be breathing faster than usual. He is a lurcher

Vet - now!

TypingoftheDead · 28/12/2024 19:41

Justmemyselfandi999 · 28/12/2024 18:46

The toxins from chocolate poisoning also build over time, a little known fact. Many dogs have had an occasional chocolate, then one day a single chocolate could cause the final irreversible damage. Emergency vet immediately given the symptoms you've described. It's a criminal offence to cause or allow unnecessary suffering to an animal.

This - it’s the equivalent for dogs as arsenic is to humans.
OP, I am sorry you’re in this position and hope something gets done about your parents dog, even if it’s to PTS to end his suffering. If he does survive I’d want to try and rehome him.

butterfly0404 · 28/12/2024 19:42

I'd phone the RSPCA in front of your parents and tell them they are refusing veterinary care for an animal. This is a life threatening emergency.

My dog did this years ago, Black Magic too, ate most of them except the nut ones. A few hundred quid for treatment to make him sick and we never brought chocolate into the house again.

If you are on the South Coast I will physically drive to your parents and take the poor dog to the vet myself.

This is fucking horrifying, they should both be prosecuted for animal cruelty and banned from eve having animals. I'd go so far as to say your children probably aren't safe to be around them either in the event of a medical issue.

Ihavethebestdogs · 28/12/2024 19:42

There's always a vet open, even if it's an emergency vet. I know it's not your fault, but I feel so sorry for this dog. You are more interested in his welfare than his so-called owners who, in taking him on, have promised to loo after him. It's not alarmist to say that the poor dog could die if he's not given medical attention asap. Theobromine, I believe is the compound in chocolate that is toxic to dogs and whilst it's there in white and milk chocolate, it's much higher in dark chocolate due to its higher cacao content. Vomiting is one of the symptoms of theobromine toxicity in dogs. It's metabolized much more slowly in dogs. The poor dog is really suffering.
I know people's circumstances can change, but I will never ever understand why people do not get pet insurance. I honestly would borrow money to get the dog checked out and treated. The fact they 'think' he'll sleep it off etc shows how irresponsible they are. Even if he recovers, it seems they're quite content to watch him suffer in the meantime.
I'm hoping the dog will be okay. Thanks for looking out for him, and assuming he recovers, it might be an idea to broach insurance for the dog, or re-homing him.

Hskatkat · 28/12/2024 19:42

I really hope that dog has seen a vet by now if not your parents are heartless and should be thoroughly ashamed letting the dog suffer.

Porcuporpoise · 28/12/2024 19:43

WishinAndHopin · 28/12/2024 19:41

But we’ve taken pets to the vet on behalf of their owners before, how will they know the difference?

She could just say the parents can’t come today if asked.

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She could. And in doing so she would become legally liable for the vet's fees.

Jifmicroliquid · 28/12/2024 19:44

I am so angry at your disgusting parents. They ought to be prosecuted for animal neglect.

Ihavethebestdogs · 28/12/2024 19:45

Just to add that @butterfly0404 has a valid point.

Dog owners who fail to ensure their pet's welfare needs are met could face prosecution. Source The Blue Cross

What is Section 9 of the Animal Welfare Act?

Section 9 of the Animal Welfare Act places a duty of care on people to ensure they take reasonable steps in all the circumstances to meet the welfare needs of their animals to the extent required by good practice.

Hskatkat · 28/12/2024 19:46

@Huggyhuggy
I would happily report any selfish prick who is cruel to animals. I would never speak to them again having witnessed this behaviour.
There are always emergency vets open
Your parents are awful letting this situation continue .

butterfly0404 · 28/12/2024 19:47

Ihavethebestdogs · 28/12/2024 19:45

Just to add that @butterfly0404 has a valid point.

Dog owners who fail to ensure their pet's welfare needs are met could face prosecution. Source The Blue Cross

What is Section 9 of the Animal Welfare Act?

Section 9 of the Animal Welfare Act places a duty of care on people to ensure they take reasonable steps in all the circumstances to meet the welfare needs of their animals to the extent required by good practice.

The fine if they are prosecuted will be much bigger than the vet bill. Show them this OP and kick their sorry arses to the vets, they are disgusting human beings for allowing an animal to suffer like this. I'm so angry I'm crying for that poor dog who must have organ failure by now :-(

hollyblueivy · 28/12/2024 19:48

Could you show this to your parents?

The person responsible, who may be the owner or the person temporarily in charge of the animal,
commits a criminal offence (under section 4 of the act) if he or she causes an animal to suffer
unnecessarily, by an act, or a failure to act, and they knew, or ought to have known, that the act, or
failure to act, would have that effect, or be likely to have that effect. There are exceptions from
liability where such actions are for the purpose of benefiting the animal, or to protect a person,
property or another animal. For example, a surgical operation upon an animal will undoubtedly
cause some element of suffering, but that suffering would be caused for the purpose of the
animal’s benefit.
The act defines “suffering” as “physical or mental suffering”, but the term has been the subject of
repeated legal argument throughout the court system. As yet, no court has provided a clear
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definition of “unnecessary suffering” and there is still legal argument as to whether the test in
deciding if a person knew the animal in question was suffering is subjective or objective. At their
annual meeting in 2013, members of the British Veterinary Forensic Law Association discussed the
term and agreed: “An animal is suffering if there are observable symptoms in response to an
adverse stimulus to which it has not been able to adapt. Suffering is more than discomfort.”
An act of violence against a dog, that causes an injury, or pain and suffering, would very clearly be
held to be an act causing unnecessary suffering. However, many RSPCA prosecutions involve
allegations of failing to act in relation to a protected animal, such as failing to take the animal for
veterinary attention.
The questions the court will need to consider are: Was the dog suffering? Was that suffering
unnecessary? And, ought the owner/person in charge have known his or her omission to act (take
the dog to the vet) would have that effect? There is also the factual issue of considering whether
the act of taking the dog to the veterinary surgeon would have prevented the suffering. If that is not
proved, the court may decide the failure to act did not, in fact, cause unnecessary suffering and find
the offence is not proved.

Hskatkat · 28/12/2024 19:49

Roughly where are you? I would collect the dog and take it to a vet as would others I presume.

LetThereBeLove · 28/12/2024 19:50

I really, really hope your parents dog is ok OP. Your parents are a disgrace to let their pet suffer due to their carelessness with chocolates.

GymBuffMum · 28/12/2024 19:50

Porcuporpoise · 28/12/2024 19:43

She could. And in doing so she would become legally liable for the vet's fees.

OP has confirmed the dog is chipped with parents details which the vet can easily scan. It’s doubtful they could persue her for a debt for an animal that she does not own? She doesn’t need to give her details at all.

LandSharksAnonymous · 28/12/2024 19:52

As soon as a vet has seen the dog, you should be reporting your parents to the RSPCA and getting the dog removed from their care - completely irresponsible owners. TBH they sound stingy and lazy - they literally don't care their dog has been poisoned. I can't write what I want to about them, as I'd probably get banned..

But, honestly, how can you even stand to look at them after they've knowingly allowed their dog to suffer all day? TBH they've clearly not taken the dog to the vets as they don't want to pay for treatment. Disgraceful.

Vet. Now. Report to the RSPCA or Police later.

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Undisclosedlocation · 28/12/2024 19:53

GymBuffMum · 28/12/2024 19:50

OP has confirmed the dog is chipped with parents details which the vet can easily scan. It’s doubtful they could persue her for a debt for an animal that she does not own? She doesn’t need to give her details at all.

Sorry but all the vet would do is scan the chip, then phone the owner for permission to treat the dog
Better to do that than nothing of course, but not without difficulties

justasking111 · 28/12/2024 19:54

@Huggyhuggy you're a very kind daughter who's doing the best she can with extremely stubborn parents. Thank goodness you popped in this afternoon.

Meredithwho · 28/12/2024 19:54

OP, I am a vet. Dark chocolate is particularly dangerous for dogs. They are too late to make him sick and remove the toxin but there are medications and treatments that can be given to reverse/treat any damage. He absolutely should go to the vets.

Canonlythinkofthisone · 28/12/2024 19:55

Pet insurance should be compulsory like car insurance. Disgusting.
That will be why they don't want to take him.
Just how many dogs have they been through?
Get him to the vets immediately. With any luck your scummy parents will leave him there, and he'll be looked after and rehomed with someone not lacking in moral fibre.

Undisclosedlocation · 28/12/2024 19:55

I would personally phone the rspca for advice at this point. The dog NEEDS assessment by a vet and if its owners won’t do so, then the dog could potentially be seized and treated by the charity

PiperLeo · 28/12/2024 19:56

That's harsh. The OP has taken the dog to vet and is clearly worried. Otherwise we wouldn't know about it.

Pupinskipops · 28/12/2024 19:56

And those who deny their pets care for financial or any other reasons can be prosecuted. If they are on benefits they can take the animal to a PDSA, RSPCA or Blue Cross vet for free or subsidised care. If not, as a last resort, they should surrender the animal to a rescue who can provide veterinary care. Denying an animal medical care because of financial difficulties is inexcusable both morally and by law.

Porcuporpoise · 28/12/2024 19:58

GymBuffMum · 28/12/2024 19:50

OP has confirmed the dog is chipped with parents details which the vet can easily scan. It’s doubtful they could persue her for a debt for an animal that she does not own? She doesn’t need to give her details at all.

Yeah it's not like her parents won't be able to tell the practice who she was.

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