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AIBU?

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To be mad my folks gatecrashed xmas?

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merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 07:31

Me DH and our kids went to a hotel for xmas - a tradition we adopted to escape the 'where will you be at xmas?' from mum and dad every year. We've invited them and my in-laws before, but it wasn't fun as my parents were clearly put out they were sharing the time with in-laws.
On arrival on xmas eve, my parents were there to 'surprise' us and we were furious. My husband later asked them why they were there and my dad flipped, telling my husband he'd always had his suspicions about him and generally being a dick. Dad didn't wish DH merry Christmas, ignored him at dinner and left without saying goodbye to either of us,
It ruined the 3 night stay. They didn't bring the kids' gifts - I think so we will still have to go see them and I just can't face it. There's a bit of back story to their behaviour, but it's too long for here other than them being overbearing and intense. And I also just want to know AIBU? And what's your advice yo navigate this?

OP posts:
merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 22:08

OneLemonDog · 28/12/2024 21:56

OP, is there any reason to maintain contact with them, other than your fear of how your dad's anger may manifest towards your mother?

It doesn't sound as though they bring anything positive to your life. I get the FOG thing but, honestly, it sounds as though you'd be happier without them in your life.

Not really other than my feelings of guilt. They are loving, if intense, grandparents. I think my kids are the only joy they get and it would break their heart not to get to see them and the kids love them.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 28/12/2024 23:07

Your DPs happiness is not your responsibility.

They don't demonstrate kind and loving behaviour? It's controlling and possessive and toxic. They are nasty to your partner. Who does that to their DGC if they love them!

They spoilt Christmas for you and the DC, not the behaviour of kind or loving parents.

You have been trained to be a people pleaser.

You need to read up about toxic parents.

Tikityboo · 28/12/2024 23:34

merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 22:08

Not really other than my feelings of guilt. They are loving, if intense, grandparents. I think my kids are the only joy they get and it would break their heart not to get to see them and the kids love them.

Thats the FOG talking. This is the reality - its a handy little reminder of the past couple of days to stick on the fridge when the toxic fog descends again to cloud and skew your judgement:

*there's an incredible lack of self awareness with them - they don't have any friends left.

DF has managed to cut everyone out over the years when they don't align with his ideals - he cuts contact with them, and I think their lack of a social life makes them even more intense with us - we are their life and all they have to focus on.

They don't like DS partner either and bitch about them to us and likely vice versa.

The thought of my dad's reaction to this is frightening.

He's an explosively-angry person.

my dad went mental at him and caused a scene.

She never sees it from any other perspective than her own.

She's always the victim and I'm always the perpetrator in her eyes.

DM's not entirely blameless in that she's also not behind the door in her constant remarks and observations about me/DH/kids etc.

but my parents were rude to ILs.

And last year mum cried every day in the run up to xmas saying it'll be the worst ever because we weren't doing what she wanted.

but that is always met with disdain and ignored or me made to feel bad for even suggesting it.

I've also sat both parents down several times to talk about how their behaviour affects me but again this is overlooked and over ruled.

But my parents were rude, ungracious, made the 4 days awkward

my dad flies into rage and then doesn't speak to me for weeks.

DH was at the end of the line with their behaviour and the way it's been affecting me.

There's been a lot of upset and stress involved with them of late

and it's a never-ending cycle as they don't recognise

and I try to placate them to keep the peace between them and so on it goes to the detriment of my happiness as I've done for years.

I do feel they're manipulative,

domineering,

extremely jealous of my in-laws

and generally self-centred and selfish,

dressed up in victimisation

but they completely dominate a situation,

have made it clear they're not big fans of my DH (of 11 years)

and generally suck the joy out of social occasions with their constant bickering,

them being overbearing and intense

my dad flipped, telling my husband he'd always had his suspicions about him and generally being a dick.

Dad didn't wish DH merry Christmas,

ignored him at dinner

and left without saying goodbye to either of us,*

Dont let these toxic people pollute your DC and your marriage another day. You need some support to build and maintain your boundaries so that the inevitable damage done to your self worth can be repaired. Have your DC seen, heard or sensed any of this behaviour from your DPs or how it has impacted their dad and you. This is very damaging stuff.

merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 23:45

Wow @Tikityboo - seeing it set out like that is a stark reminder!
Thankfully they don't act like this in front of the kids, although our eldest could sense something was up.
When they do have our kids they buy them excessive amounts of toys/sweets/don't say no and let the kids decide what's happening with no regard for usual routines etc. so the kids think they're great.

OP posts:
Tikityboo · 28/12/2024 23:52

merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 23:45

Wow @Tikityboo - seeing it set out like that is a stark reminder!
Thankfully they don't act like this in front of the kids, although our eldest could sense something was up.
When they do have our kids they buy them excessive amounts of toys/sweets/don't say no and let the kids decide what's happening with no regard for usual routines etc. so the kids think they're great.

When they do have our kids they buy them excessive amounts of toys/sweets/don't say no and let the kids decide what's happening with no regard for usual routines etc. so the kids think they're great.

This is them being overbearing and intense - how do you know that they are not constantly bickering and that your DF doesnt fly into a rage as he is an frightening explosively-angry person when you they have your DCs?

Thankfully they don't act like this in front of the kids

YET. They behave atrociously with everyone - they have no friends left.

Its not 'if' - its 'when' - this is who and what they are.

You need to see them as an impulsive animal that one day will bite.

thepariscrimefiles · 29/12/2024 08:25

merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 23:45

Wow @Tikityboo - seeing it set out like that is a stark reminder!
Thankfully they don't act like this in front of the kids, although our eldest could sense something was up.
When they do have our kids they buy them excessive amounts of toys/sweets/don't say no and let the kids decide what's happening with no regard for usual routines etc. so the kids think they're great.

The kids think they are great because they completely indulge them in a really unhealthy way. Of course kids love people who buy them excessive amounts of toys and sweets, never say no and let the kids choose what they do without regard for your routines and boundaries.

Were they this indulgent with you and your sister when you were a child? Did you have endless toys and sweets? Could you stay up as late as you wanted?

They are bribing your children to like them as another weapon against you and particularly your DH.

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 08:41

thepariscrimefiles · 29/12/2024 08:25

The kids think they are great because they completely indulge them in a really unhealthy way. Of course kids love people who buy them excessive amounts of toys and sweets, never say no and let the kids choose what they do without regard for your routines and boundaries.

Were they this indulgent with you and your sister when you were a child? Did you have endless toys and sweets? Could you stay up as late as you wanted?

They are bribing your children to like them as another weapon against you and particularly your DH.

Oh for goodness sake! They are just acting as grandparents who love to spoil their grandchildren… weaponising them indeed!

thepariscrimefiles · 29/12/2024 08:48

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 08:41

Oh for goodness sake! They are just acting as grandparents who love to spoil their grandchildren… weaponising them indeed!

You either can't be bothered to read all of OP's posts, or you don't recognise toxic abusive behaviour when you see it.

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 10:45

thepariscrimefiles · 29/12/2024 08:48

You either can't be bothered to read all of OP's posts, or you don't recognise toxic abusive behaviour when you see it.

I have read the OP’s messages … ‘toxic behaviour’ is a phrase that is over used and often in the wrong situation.

BrightonFrock · 29/12/2024 10:50

Not this time though.

Nanny0gg · 29/12/2024 10:53

merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 23:45

Wow @Tikityboo - seeing it set out like that is a stark reminder!
Thankfully they don't act like this in front of the kids, although our eldest could sense something was up.
When they do have our kids they buy them excessive amounts of toys/sweets/don't say no and let the kids decide what's happening with no regard for usual routines etc. so the kids think they're great.

But that's not love (on either side)

And how do you think they'll be when the children get older (and may cross them)

Nanny0gg · 29/12/2024 10:54

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 08:41

Oh for goodness sake! They are just acting as grandparents who love to spoil their grandchildren… weaponising them indeed!

I disagree

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 10:57

BrightonFrock · 29/12/2024 10:50

Not this time though.

I would say it is. Everyone seems to get so hysterical these days instead of staying calm and talking things through. It must be exhausting.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 29/12/2024 11:04

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 10:57

I would say it is. Everyone seems to get so hysterical these days instead of staying calm and talking things through. It must be exhausting.

Way to blame the victim.

Slow handclap.

If you don't understand/ can't be bothered to rtft, can't you just leave the OP alone without piling on?

LePetitMaman · 29/12/2024 11:08

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 10:57

I would say it is. Everyone seems to get so hysterical these days instead of staying calm and talking things through. It must be exhausting.

So is having your self worth, esteem, self importance, needs, feelings trampled all over. From childhood long into adulthood. In fear of the abusive and manipulative behaviour you've had your whole life if you don't do exactly as you're told.

Like a PP said, there's 2 types of people on this thread in "disagreement" about these vile abusers. Those who've managed to get through life never having met one, and can't actually process what's written here as being possible, therefore it must be a crock of shit despite how many people are in explaining what's really going on. Or, they recognise their own behaviour and aren't going to stand for people on the internet calling it out any more than they let the people on their real lives do it, try and make out it's OP with the problem.

thepariscrimefiles · 29/12/2024 11:13

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 10:57

I would say it is. Everyone seems to get so hysterical these days instead of staying calm and talking things through. It must be exhausting.

It's OP's parents who can't stay calm and talk things through, not OP.

Having turned up uninvited to the hotel, booking a room next to OP's room and a table next to OP's table, and after OP has spent Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and part of Thursday with her parents, OP's mum was wailing down the phone yesterday because OP wasn't visiting them that day.

It is exhausting for the OP having such hysterical parents.

BrightonFrock · 29/12/2024 11:20

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 10:57

I would say it is. Everyone seems to get so hysterical these days instead of staying calm and talking things through. It must be exhausting.

Read @Tikityboo’s summary of the OP’s parents’ behaviour and then tell me that these are the kind of people with whom you can calmly talk things through.

Tikityboo · 29/12/2024 11:44

BrightonFrock · 29/12/2024 11:20

Read @Tikityboo’s summary of the OP’s parents’ behaviour and then tell me that these are the kind of people with whom you can calmly talk things through.

This is a summary of their behaviour as relayed directly by the OP....cut and pasted her exact words on this thread,

wholettheturnipsburn · 29/12/2024 11:48

user1492757084 · 28/12/2024 07:42

Given that they surprised you, by then it was too late to be anything but delighted.
I think you were rude to react like you didn't want to see them.
You invited them one Christmas after all.

Maybe they felt like sharing a meal with you, without the in-laws, as a surprise.
You could have secreted the Hotel next Christmas to not have a repeat of this year.

The shock of seeing them made you rude; you should apologise.

I hope you do have a nice present opening.

Maybe send the kids with gifts and food and let them have a relaxed day at Grandparents playing cards and Chess.

What have I just read?

OP seems to have been very restrained.

How dare the parents "surprise" them

Why should they act delighted to see them.?
Weird

Tikityboo · 29/12/2024 11:50

Justhere65 · 29/12/2024 10:57

I would say it is. Everyone seems to get so hysterical these days instead of staying calm and talking things through. It must be exhausting.

Especially the frighening, angryand explosive DF who then ignores and gives the silent treatment for weeks and his performative weeping and wailing wife who cries for days on end if she doesnt get her way.

The OP has appeased these dysregulated and abusive characters all her life - she and her DH have tried to talk calmly to them and are met with aggression and emotional volatility.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 29/12/2024 12:00

Normalising and minimising that kind of behaviour is dangerous.

All the readers in abusive relationships, trying to work out 'is it me?', trying to work out how to leave, do not need to be told, falsely, 'yes it IS you, try a bit harder'.

Tikityboo · 29/12/2024 12:00

merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 23:45

Wow @Tikityboo - seeing it set out like that is a stark reminder!
Thankfully they don't act like this in front of the kids, although our eldest could sense something was up.
When they do have our kids they buy them excessive amounts of toys/sweets/don't say no and let the kids decide what's happening with no regard for usual routines etc. so the kids think they're great.

When they do have our kids they buy them excessive amounts of toys/sweets/don't say no and let the kids decide what's happening with no regard for usual routines etc. so the kids think they're great.

And why do we establish healthy eating and regular routines for our children....to keep them calm, peaceful and emotionally regulated.

Disrupting this and overwhelming them will risk them being cranky and dysregulated .... I would be very very concerned about how your frightening, explosive and angry DF would react with them.

I would NEVER leave them alone with your DPs.

And I would never have my DCs in the presence of anyone who is always simmering, uncertain and everyone is on eggshells not to trigger their volatility.

Children are vigilant to, absorb and internalise these confusing and terrifying tensions from the adult environment - it causes distress that they dont understand to experience their own parents stressed.

BrightonFrock · 29/12/2024 12:18

Tikityboo · 29/12/2024 11:44

This is a summary of their behaviour as relayed directly by the OP....cut and pasted her exact words on this thread,

Edited

Exactly - that’s why I said @Justhere65 should read it!

BlueSilverCats · 29/12/2024 12:24

@Justhere65 the thing is , you can only have calm, rational discussions with people willing and able to do so. Do OP's parents really sound like calm ,reasonable people to you?

My mum ripped a tshirt off me (as an adult, in my own home) because she didn't like it and I didn't take it off when she told me to. How many calm , reasonable discussions would you be able to have with someone like that?

LePetitMaman · 29/12/2024 13:01

BlueSilverCats · 29/12/2024 12:24

@Justhere65 the thing is , you can only have calm, rational discussions with people willing and able to do so. Do OP's parents really sound like calm ,reasonable people to you?

My mum ripped a tshirt off me (as an adult, in my own home) because she didn't like it and I didn't take it off when she told me to. How many calm , reasonable discussions would you be able to have with someone like that?

I'm so sorry to hear that. I know exactly how you felt.

These people truly are awful. Entitled to treat their children how they see fit, for all their lives...or else. May we never become them.