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DH is a Freemason and it makes me cringe

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YerJokin · 27/12/2024 15:44

He takes it so seriously. He's always gone through hobby phases but he's done this for years now and takes it very seriously. He's currently on the phone discussing 'Bretheryn' and it gives me the major ick, I actually want to cry listening to it.

I've tried to stand by him as he takes it so seriously so i attend events and smile encouragingly but I can't bear it. Never knew when I married him that he wanted to do this. It's not the worst thing he could do of course but it's an old boys club and we're only in our 30s!

He has lots of friends and other hobbies so it's not even his only social outlet, no idea why he needs this in his life and treats it like a second job.

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SavingTheBestTillLast · 28/12/2024 23:41

JamesPeterson · 28/12/2024 23:35

Like most Masons, I don't like to go into detail about the content of a ceremony so as not to spoil it for a future candidate. I will say however, that if someone had mentioned being wrapped in a shroud and raised from my own coffin, I would have found that rather exciting and would have been disappointed if it didn't happen. I love dramatic ceremonies!

The Fredrick Seddon case is something I like to mention when people allege that Freemasons help each other get away with crimes. Mr Justice Bucknill did not order a new trial (I am not sure where you got that idea from) but said the following:

"It is not for me to harrow your feelings – try to make peace with your Maker. We both belong to the same Brotherhood, and though that can have no influence with me, this is painful beyond words to have to say what I am saying, but our Brotherhood does not encourage crime, it condemns it."

One of my Masonic friends knows a judge who is a Freemason. My friend asked this judge about this subject and it turns out that giving a sign to a judge or magistrate would be a very unwise thing to do, for the following reasons:

Firstly, if a Freemason has been convicted in court of a criminal offence, he has gone against his Masonic principles. We are supposed to be of good character and law abiding as Freemasons, so a judge, who is Mason, looking favourably upon such a person is not something that person could reasonably expect. They would have brought the fraternity into disrepute.

Secondly, in reality, Masonic signs are not very well kept secrets. They can be easily recognised. A Freemason on the bench would have to respond to such a sign by sticking strictly to the sentencing guidelines he has been given. Any discretion he may have exercised when deciding sentence, that may have gone in the defendant's favour, would have gone right out of the window. The judge would not risk being accused of showing leniency due to Freemasonry.

The objection to Freemasons being required to disclose their membership was being singled out. If I am required to make such a disclosure, then it suggests that the potential employer has some kind of an issue with Freemasonry. I would fear being discriminated against in such circumstances.

Personally, I have no problem with people knowing I am a Freemason. All of the staff members at the school I work at know I am a Mason and no one has an issue with it. I always take my regalia case in with me because I don't have time to go home first in the evening to collect it. Others I know prefer to keep it private and that's their choice.

Second to last para
You fear being discriminated against because you are a Freemason yet have no qualms on others discriminated against because they aren’t

Blimey
What utter hypocrisy

Don't join if you want equality

JamesPeterson · 28/12/2024 23:43

CurlyhairedAssassin · 28/12/2024 23:28

What's the point of the rituals? It all sounds very am dram.

Yes, it is very "am dram." That's what makes it engaging and fun. When we perform a ceremony, we are telling a story. Doing it in an interesting and dramatic way is a great way to make it meaningful and memorable. There is also the challenge of learning a piece and delivering it from memory (something I really enjoy doing).

JamesPeterson · 28/12/2024 23:49

SavingTheBestTillLast · 28/12/2024 23:41

Second to last para
You fear being discriminated against because you are a Freemason yet have no qualms on others discriminated against because they aren’t

Blimey
What utter hypocrisy

Don't join if you want equality

As Freemasons, we are not in favour of any kind of unfair discrimination. We are absolutely forbidden to use our Freemasonry to gain an unfair advantage over someone else. It's the kind of thing that can get you kicked out.

OneLemonDog · 29/12/2024 00:01

SavingTheBestTillLast · 28/12/2024 23:41

Second to last para
You fear being discriminated against because you are a Freemason yet have no qualms on others discriminated against because they aren’t

Blimey
What utter hypocrisy

Don't join if you want equality

I've read the PPs post and I have no idea where you're getting your above interpretation from.

ThingsPeopleDo · 29/12/2024 00:02

Freemasonry is a religion which denies that Jesus is God's Son. It's a very secretive cult. Masons at the lower degrees (levels), that is most of them, don't know this and are encouraged to think it's all good harmless brotherly stuff. The charitable work is a smokescreen and not its main purpose.

I won't say much on here, but it's serious stuff. Avoid. There's useful info on YouTube about it. Masons will deny any real criticism of the brotherhood. Look it up.

Leelaseye · 29/12/2024 00:05

Interesting. I can understand now why freemasonry appealed so much to my father.

All the posturing, am dram and announcing how much he did for charity was right up his alley.

Shame he didn't translate all that moral improvement and putting family first stuff into practice when he was having an affair, screwing my mum over in their divorce and generally being an abusive arsehole.

I'm not saying I think all masons are similar twats, but the hypocrisy he displayed whilst congratulating himself on being such an upstanding member of the masons was vomit inducing. Bad apples in every barrel though.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 29/12/2024 00:06

HollyKnight · 28/12/2024 19:03

How is it not a charity? The RCN is a charity too. The people benefitting from it are people who meet the criteria.

80% of which have to be themselves or be immediate family members of Freemasons.
Thats not non biased donations to non connected persons or charities…that’s giving back to your own. That’s Freemasons investing for their personal future and that of their families….
They lost a case against the hmrc recently as well , with the Judge noting they were claiming exemption for non philanthropic donations

SavingTheBestTillLast · 29/12/2024 00:13

Golden407 · 28/12/2024 20:35

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right? Are you saying to be eligible for charitable donations you have to be related to a free Mason?
My sister ran a charity a few years ago helping to pay for holidays for sick children, the Freemasons donated massively over the years. My sister wasn't a freemason, neither was anyone else?

Yes that’s right
80% of the donations work this way. As I said. I didn’t say 100%

Check out the Charity commission for finances and cross referencing to the elegibility criteria to each ‘donation’ ( year after year after year etc etc etc ) you can see evidence quite clearly.
Most of the money the FM admit goes to their own in the CC finance reports but some they call non Masonic ie nothing to do with the Masons but if you go into the criteria to get these grants for the two big ones ( one is education ) you’ll see to get it you need to be related ie a child .

Like I say 20% is for other stuff. Only 20%. Clearly that’s the category yours fell into.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 29/12/2024 00:17

OneLemonDog · 29/12/2024 00:01

I've read the PPs post and I have no idea where you're getting your above interpretation from.

PP stated they didn’t want to be discriminated against

If you RTFT you’ll see others stating clearly discrimination because they weren’t a FM or other cases noted here in the news as well.
Hence my comment

JamesPeterson · 29/12/2024 00:19

ThingsPeopleDo · 29/12/2024 00:02

Freemasonry is a religion which denies that Jesus is God's Son. It's a very secretive cult. Masons at the lower degrees (levels), that is most of them, don't know this and are encouraged to think it's all good harmless brotherly stuff. The charitable work is a smokescreen and not its main purpose.

I won't say much on here, but it's serious stuff. Avoid. There's useful info on YouTube about it. Masons will deny any real criticism of the brotherhood. Look it up.

Let's respond to this misinformation.

Freemasonry is not a religion, first of all. To be a member, someone has to profess belief in a supreme being but we have no official position on how to understand that being. That is personal to each member. Craft Freemasonry doesn't tell someone what to believe about God. As an organisation we don't deny that Jesus is God's Son but we also don't affirm it. We have no position one way or the other. It is up to the individual Mason to decide what he personally believes concerning such matters. Personally, as a Christian, I do believe that Jesus is God's Son.

I said Craft Freemasonry because there are certain companion orders (Masonic bodies you can join after becoming a Master Mason), which are Christian in character and require belief in the doctrine of the Trinity. To be a member of any of these, you have to be a member of the Craft first, so the idea that Craft Freemasonry explicitly denies the deity of Christ is obviously bogus.

It always makes me laugh when people start going on about "higher degrees" that teach things "most Masons" don't know about. Firstly, the highest degree is the Third Degree (Master Mason). Everything else is just additional and doesn't give you any higher standing. Also, if we "low level Masons" are not high enough up to know about the evil stuff, how do you know about it?

SavingTheBestTillLast · 29/12/2024 00:21

ThingsPeopleDo · 29/12/2024 00:02

Freemasonry is a religion which denies that Jesus is God's Son. It's a very secretive cult. Masons at the lower degrees (levels), that is most of them, don't know this and are encouraged to think it's all good harmless brotherly stuff. The charitable work is a smokescreen and not its main purpose.

I won't say much on here, but it's serious stuff. Avoid. There's useful info on YouTube about it. Masons will deny any real criticism of the brotherhood. Look it up.

I have no idea about all the online, stories, cult, religion stufff. It’s not something I’m that interested in and wouldn’t bother reading about

Im not not ok with unfair advantage, discrimination and tax dodging
and
Masons and their wives are clearly defending and denying it all here, just as you say they do in your post

Its a
Well
I’m all right Jack mentality 🤣🤣

90sFilms · 29/12/2024 00:27

Wouldn't bother me at all

I really enjoy reading material (that isn't insinuating all Satan worshipping about them) and found a tour to the grand lodge absolutely fascinating years ago

I suppose if it's an excuse not to be home that would bother me but not being one

JamesPeterson · 29/12/2024 00:28

SavingTheBestTillLast · 29/12/2024 00:21

I have no idea about all the online, stories, cult, religion stufff. It’s not something I’m that interested in and wouldn’t bother reading about

Im not not ok with unfair advantage, discrimination and tax dodging
and
Masons and their wives are clearly defending and denying it all here, just as you say they do in your post

Its a
Well
I’m all right Jack mentality 🤣🤣

I certainly didn't defend any of that. As I said previously, Freemasons are supposed to be law abiding and of good character. We are forbidden to use of Freemasonry to gain an unfair advantage over others, and it is against our principles to engage in anything illegal. That would include tax dodging. Anyone found to be engaging in anything like that is going to be kicked out of Freemasonry. It is not tolerated.

ElectricLegs · 29/12/2024 00:29

I have only read as far as page 6. I need to go to bed tonight, so a comment on what I know, hopefully not repeating everything you already know, and remember this is mostly what I have been told or have read. If there are any errors I am sure that I will quickly corrected.

Freemasons have to believe in a 'god'. Someone who created what we have around us (good and bad). They swear on their own 'holy' book when they are admitted to the Lodge at their first ceremony.

There is a rank system, which you have to go through learning and testing, to achieve promotion.

They have functions, which both members and their partners can come along to. I don't know if there is any compulsion.

They always push the "we collect for charity" message. Like royalty's involvement in charity I am not sure if it any of their own money.

A company at which I worked, the CEO was a freemason. He used to employ members of the lodge to repair the buildings. Rumour had it that he was having the bill inflated, so that the builder could carry out free work on the CEOs house.

There are freemason lodges for women. My now elderly mum used to be a member. I had no idea about this until years later. She said something to the effect that that she left because it was so misandristic, and she felt that the environment had become toxic. Her last comment on the subject was that the other members were always glad enough when men were involved in fixing their washing machine, recovering her broken down car at the side of the road, laying concrete patios but had nothing good to say about them otherwise. Thank god she never came here and read what we say about men! She grew up in a very much equal household, dad being a kind and forward thinking man, sadly no longer with us.

JamesPeterson · 29/12/2024 00:54

ElectricLegs · 29/12/2024 00:29

I have only read as far as page 6. I need to go to bed tonight, so a comment on what I know, hopefully not repeating everything you already know, and remember this is mostly what I have been told or have read. If there are any errors I am sure that I will quickly corrected.

Freemasons have to believe in a 'god'. Someone who created what we have around us (good and bad). They swear on their own 'holy' book when they are admitted to the Lodge at their first ceremony.

There is a rank system, which you have to go through learning and testing, to achieve promotion.

They have functions, which both members and their partners can come along to. I don't know if there is any compulsion.

They always push the "we collect for charity" message. Like royalty's involvement in charity I am not sure if it any of their own money.

A company at which I worked, the CEO was a freemason. He used to employ members of the lodge to repair the buildings. Rumour had it that he was having the bill inflated, so that the builder could carry out free work on the CEOs house.

There are freemason lodges for women. My now elderly mum used to be a member. I had no idea about this until years later. She said something to the effect that that she left because it was so misandristic, and she felt that the environment had become toxic. Her last comment on the subject was that the other members were always glad enough when men were involved in fixing their washing machine, recovering her broken down car at the side of the road, laying concrete patios but had nothing good to say about them otherwise. Thank god she never came here and read what we say about men! She grew up in a very much equal household, dad being a kind and forward thinking man, sadly no longer with us.

Much of what you have said is accurate. A few clarifications.

There is no compulsion to do anything in Freemasonry. We sometimes do have what we call, "white table" events, i.e. events non-Masons can come along to. Of course no one is forced to attend!

When it comes to charity, maybe a non-Mason will buy a raffle ticket at a white table event but apart from things like that, any money a Masonic lodge has comes solely from contributions by members. We certainly don't stand on street corners and rattle a tin.

If the CEO you mentioned was doing anything illegal, he was breaking his Masonic principles. I do find that a lot of these claims are very much based on rumour, as you have indicated regarding this case.

I am sorry to hear your mother had that experience. It shouldn't be that way and it usually isn't but Freemason lodges (male or female) are made up of people who don't always behave as they should, just like anywhere else. It sounds like your parents both had the qualities we look for in Freemasonry.

GladLemur · 29/12/2024 00:59

You should look into freemasonry and what it truly is. They’re a cult that worships Satan. Lots of lower level Freemasons aren’t even aware of what they are apart of.

JamesPeterson · 29/12/2024 01:03

GladLemur · 29/12/2024 00:59

You should look into freemasonry and what it truly is. They’re a cult that worships Satan. Lots of lower level Freemasons aren’t even aware of what they are apart of.

Yes, we worship Satan so much he's not even mentioned once in any of our ceremonies.

HelloOhHell · 29/12/2024 01:17

TankFlyBossW4lk · 28/12/2024 12:13

Hi there, just interested, can you show me where and how they housed Grenfell survivors? I can't find any information on this anywhere.

They raise for prostate cancer but that's their target demographic. It's a great one for them to raise for.

AT LAST!!! Almost finished this whole thread looking for answers to this and how/what they do to fundraise and who else they fundraise for

I hope that their very noticeable PR team who I’ve clocked in here have answered as I read on…

GladLemur · 29/12/2024 01:23

You must not be a high enough degree to be part of it. I know people who got taken to satanic rituals as kids. Easy enough to find the info if you look it up.

JamesPeterson · 29/12/2024 01:32

GladLemur · 29/12/2024 01:23

You must not be a high enough degree to be part of it. I know people who got taken to satanic rituals as kids. Easy enough to find the info if you look it up.

As I have already said, the Third Degree is the highest degree. Anything else is additional but doesn't give you any higher standing. Satanic rituals are not part of Freemasonry. If the claim you are making about people being taken into Satanic rituals is true, Freemasonry is not connected. Also, anyone can write rubbish on the internet.

GladLemur · 29/12/2024 01:47

No it isn’t, there are 33rd degree Freemasons which is the highest, look it up. Well they were taken to satanic rituals at freemasonry lodges so pretty sure they’re connected.

JamesPeterson · 29/12/2024 01:56

HelloOhHell · 29/12/2024 01:17

AT LAST!!! Almost finished this whole thread looking for answers to this and how/what they do to fundraise and who else they fundraise for

I hope that their very noticeable PR team who I’ve clocked in here have answered as I read on…

London Freemasons donated £100,000 to support Grenfell Tower residents back in 2017:

LONDON FREEMASONS SUPPORT GRENFELL... - United Grand Lodge of England | Facebook

In 2021, London Freemasons raised £2.5 million for the London Fire Brigade so fund the cost of extension ladders which would save lives if a similar fire were to occur in the future.

High Hopes - Freemasons fund lifesaving ladder | United Grand Lodge of England

High Hopes - Freemasons fund lifesaving ladder | United Grand Lodge of England

London Fire Brigade's newest piece of kit was unveiled at the Lord Mayor's show in November 2021, taking up prime position next to Mansion House, the official residence of the Lord Mayor of London. This remarkable machine was a fire engine with an enor...

https://www.ugle.org.uk/discover-freemasonry/blog/london-freemasons-supports-london-fire-brigade

IamMoodyBlue · 29/12/2024 02:00

Sounds like misogynistic male self indulgence.
How naice that the little ladies( bless them) get a once a year dinner.

marmia1234 · 29/12/2024 02:01

I fear @Feelingathomenow has fallen into a large pile of Godwin's law and is unable to extricate himself.

JamesPeterson · 29/12/2024 02:06

GladLemur · 29/12/2024 01:47

No it isn’t, there are 33rd degree Freemasons which is the highest, look it up. Well they were taken to satanic rituals at freemasonry lodges so pretty sure they’re connected.

Yes, that's the Ancient and Accepted Rite, which is a Masonic companion order. I have joined it and it's really beautiful, but my membership of it will never give me any higher standing than a Master Mason who is only in Craft, even if I one day attain the 33rd degree. You clearly don't understand anything about Freemasonry and how we operate.

I don't believe what you're saying about the Satanic rituals at Masonic lodges. That's a completely incredible claim requiring some pretty incredible evidence. Do you have any?

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