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friend ‘lodging’ gone sour

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sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

OP posts:
MaryGreenhill · 28/12/2024 18:43

Change the locks asap and tell her to sling her hook

MySweetGeorgina · 28/12/2024 18:47

You are not unreasonable but you KNOW she will simply not move out now or ever

she already knows you are super nice/soft touch and you will not physically remove her

so my bet is that she is simply not leaving, and then what would you do….?

Octoberdreaming · 28/12/2024 18:52

With kindness, you have been far too soft and too much of a people pleaser to allow things to get out of control like this.
You need to work on establishing better boundaries.
Her housing situation is not your problem.

Don’t enable her anymore - kick her out tonight and if she wants to find a stable home for herself she can seek help via the proper channels, get a job and stand on her own two feet like the rest of us adults.
Maybe some tough love and a reality check is what’s needed here.

I wouldn’t want a ‘friend’ in my life who was willing to cheat the benefit system personally. She sounds like a lazy, entitled, selfish scrounger.

Lucyccfc68 · 28/12/2024 18:53

Dugongs · 28/12/2024 18:25

Be careful .. if she pays anything towards bills, I think she can make a claim on the house as she's beneficiallly contributed or something ..

From internet..

Beneficial interest is a legal concept that gives someone the right to share in the benefits of a property, even if they are not the legal owner. This can include the right to live in the property, receive a share of rental income, or receive a share of the proceeds when the property is sold.

This is rubbish. She wouldn’t any claim just for contributing towards a few bills (not that she did). She would have to prove that she had been contributing towards the mortgage for a decent length of time and/or paid a substantial sum towards renovations.

Noshowlomo · 28/12/2024 18:58

This bitch needs to go asap

BestZebbie · 28/12/2024 19:23

Do you not have any storage units near your home town? She should have moved her things directly into a rental unit, not into your property! (She could still move her stuff into one right now, then get it out of there when she has her new place sorted....you don't want her to leave it at yours when she goes and not return for it for six months, then make trouble when you bin it/refuse to pay for the storage that you end up renting)

Wooky073 · 28/12/2024 19:27

I had a similar situation not as bad as yours. A friend moved in short term due to their down on luck circumstances whilst they sorted themselves out and then didnt leave. Like you were not paying rent or anything but instead were helping around the house - but not much. No pet involved thank goodness. They asked me for a contract which I stupidly provided and then they claimed housing benefit but had it paid to themsevles and bought a new laptop still not offering to pay anything to us to cover their costs. Occassionally they gave £20 or £30 towards costs. When I asked about paying housing benefit to us they claimed they were broke and couldnt pay me anything but could once they were better off financially. When we went away for a weekend they asked lots of specific questions about when exactly we were going and returning which i think was purposeful to let me know they would be having folk over. I warned them that we were not comfortable with other folk I didnt know coming over whilst we were away - they did it anyway. That was the final straw. My partner called them and said they needed to move out. They then emailed me calling me a coward. However they did eventually move out 3 weeks later to a bedsit. I helped them and discovered some of my things amongs their belongings. When I pointed this out they just laughed. I hoped to remain friends as this was a friend for many years but they had other ideas and I got some nasty emails including threats to cause me issues at work and I never got the housing benefit they claimed from living with me. That was many years ago now - never heard from them since.

My advice is that you need to get this situation ended asap - they are no friend of yours. The suicide threat is to play on your better nature and manupulate you. I wouldnt give them 6 weeks I would get them out asap - 3 weeks max. Get the locks changed and get all of their stuff out whilst they are out one day and get the cat put into a charity for rehoming. He needs neutering too. Maybe get a big trug and put it on the front with her stuff in it so it is accessible to her without her coming into your house and give a time limit on that - eg 4 weeks. Get trustworthy friends to come over and frequent your house (the bigger and more intimidating the better) and make it as unwelcoming and hostile as possible so she doesnt want to hang around. She could and probably will cause almighty havock upon leaving so the advice above is to take control of the situation before she can do so. It sounds like she needs help - probably give her the numbers of chairies who can support her also. Offer to do the application for emergency housing with her. But stay firm on your boundaries and start planning. You could also have someone arriving who needs the rooms back by a certain date to move things along. Best of luck. Its not nice but eventually she will be a distant memory x

Brombat · 28/12/2024 19:38

Yeah, we had a fairly random stranger move into our place a few years back as a lodger. Brought her bf (no cat tho) and then it all went to pot a bit like this...it's unbelievably stressful as you don't want to make someone homeless but they really dngaf...

I think we gave our cuckoo money in the end to leave, I think we got it back but it was a lesson learnt the hard way.

Give her a hard deadline, enforce the deadline.

amyds2104 · 28/12/2024 19:41

I voted you are being unreasonable for putting this woman before your own animals and home. You do realise she isn’t a tenant or lodger and is more of an awful house guest which you can kick out and refuse entry to at any point? She isn’t contributing to bills. Honestly you are letting yourself in to 6 weeks of hell and at the end you are going to end up with more damage/shit. Do you think she will leave a key on the side and say thank you for letting me stay? I worked in housing and 1 “lodger” done a turd as a leaving present for someone having the audacity to ask them to leave the home. Please be sensible here and ask her to leave immediately. Ask her to find somewhere else to stay. Say she has a week to find somewhere for her stuff. Stick with it. If she complains about her mental health that’s a manipulation tactic and give her details for mh services. None of this adult females problems are your responsibility. She has made them your problem though and is guilting you. Kick her out ASAP. The law is on your side.

Londonrach1 · 28/12/2024 19:44

A lodger...she goes by end of the week and change locks and block. Not a friend but a user. Yanbu.

coldcallerbaiter · 28/12/2024 19:45

OP I have had a situation with some similarities and have posted here. I won’t derail the thread but it you look up ‘mooch’ or my username it might come up!

I sympathise because at the beginning you give someone the benefit of the doubt and then they get their feet under the table and think they have leverage/control.

My dear little soul relative is now pressuring and threatening Sui££de to get himself back in after having left.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 28/12/2024 19:59

Why did you give her 6 weeks?! What makes you think she'll leave then when she's not done anything else you've asked?

As others have said, give her a week and a letter for the council and start to get this awful situation over with. It's not going to be easy.

Dugongs · 28/12/2024 20:05

Lucyccfc68 · 28/12/2024 18:53

This is rubbish. She wouldn’t any claim just for contributing towards a few bills (not that she did). She would have to prove that she had been contributing towards the mortgage for a decent length of time and/or paid a substantial sum towards renovations.

It was mentioned on a post from thelegalqueen on Instagram .. called 'can my girlfriend take my house". While I realise it's not a girlfriend situation, I do wonder if the same situation can occur if a person staying pays towards house.
This person already taking advantage, seems unscrupulous, hence my bad careful. You can never know how low someone can go when they feel desperate.

Katbum · 28/12/2024 20:07

If it were me she’d have got a week’s notice and I’d have considered that generous.

BellaCiaoBellaCiao · 28/12/2024 20:22

Cornflakelover · 27/12/2024 07:48

6 weeks -😂 I would give her 60 fucking seconds notice

shes a lodger she has very little if any rights
you could go home and chuck her out with 5 mins notice and she couldn’t do fuck all about it and that what I suggest you do

and she isn’t going to commit suicide
and if she did that’s not your problem in fact she be gone and out of your way so job done. I take absolutely no shit with people that threaten suicide to manipulate people

honestly she isn’t going to leave in six weeks
or when you want her to
she will only leave when she is ready or when you kick her out and change the locks

she is going stay and have you and your partner tip toeing around in your house trying to appease this crazy ass person

I bet you come home and you feel tense and irritated all the time. - you can’t relax in the one place that should be your safe place from the outside world
I bet you and your partner are arguing with each other silently in your bedroom so the crazy one can’t hear you
I bet you avoid being in the same rooms as her - in your own fucking house

honestly stop be so bloody soft and weyb and just kick her out
don’t ask
don’t reason
don’t explain

just say your leaving today take your shit and fuck off

Edited

Absolutely this! Just get her to fuck right now! Change the locks. Get all her stuff out.
No ifs, buts.

She is not going to go quietly in 6 weeks!
Get her out NOW and you can still salvage some of the festive season and enjoy a nice new year.
Seriously.
Read your post again. What would you advise a family member to do if it were them?
You owe her absolutely NOTHING.
Get her out and reclaim your life.
No letters, no notice.
If she threatens suicide, let her. She doesn’t mean it.
Get a locksmith out tomorrow and just GET HER OUT.
6 weeks’ notice, MY ARSE.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 28/12/2024 20:25

YANBU. Feck her out. She will be fine.

Whatyoutalkingabouteh · 28/12/2024 20:48

Threatening suicide is emotional blackmail. Knowing those that have sadly gone through with it including a family member, it’s not something they threaten normally.
you were kind enough to help her but she taking the absolute piss STICK TO YOUR GUNS!!!

carly2803 · 28/12/2024 21:10

6 weeks?!?! id have given her 6 hours! and get her gone

absolutely rediculous - do not get why you have been so lenient! get her gone

MeridianB · 28/12/2024 21:29

She is not your friend and won’t go quietly. You need to act quickly and decisively - change the locks, remove her belongings. Don’t wait as it won’t get any easier.

Eldermillennial2024 · 28/12/2024 21:33

Of course YANBU

How are things now?

Did she spend Christmas with you?

RedLeicesterRedLeicester · 28/12/2024 22:13

She’s in a rut. I have had family stay with me like this and it afffrected my marriage in the end. You can’t help her except pushing her with the council applications. The longer she waits, the less likely she is to get something.

Sit firm with your boundaries. Do you know her mum or sibling? Could you tell them your deadlines?

Wooky073 · 28/12/2024 23:35

She isnt a lodger, as she isnt paying towards her keep or renting a room. She is a house guest who has overstayed her welcome and wont leave. Here is the definition of a lodger: https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/lodgers
As there is no contract or payment then she has no rights. Even lodgers only get 7 days notice then you can change the locks. You dont even owe her that as she is just your house guest. Make that clear to her and say she needs to be out within a week.
If you do a letter of notice this seems like she is a lodger and has rights. She has none. Just tell her to leave and give her a week to do so. Then get her stuff out (maybe pop it under a tarp to keep it dry) and change locks. Threatening suicide is not realistic. When assessing the risk of a suicide you find out if there is a plan for suicide. If no actual plan then it is just a cry for help (or in this case a manipulation to continue her gravy train in your home). Of course she wont want it to end - who would want free accomodation to end. She will be on to the next person once she leaves. Some people do actually live like this going from person to person, sofa surfing or spare room surfing until they outstay their welcome and are kicked out.

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Lodgers - Shelter England

Find out more about renting rights when you are a lodger, living in someone else's home

https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/lodgers

Celticgold · 28/12/2024 23:39

She is not a friend she is a freeloader. You don’t need to explain why she has to go you give her a deadline which is generous considering how she is treating you. If she won’t go you pack he’d things up ask for the key back & change the locks incase she has made a copy. She is an adult not your problem she has had time to sort herself out the council will have emergency accommodation even if it’s a hostel. Cat rescue places will take the cat. She has seen you as a walk over. Don’t be swayed by threats if she stays your life & your house will become more of a hell. She is not your responsibility. Stay strong hard I know but for your own mental health you need to do it. Give her written details of the deadline & what you expect from her yes she will be angry retaliate but stick to your guns or you will never be rid she is taking the piss big time.

Tikityboo · 28/12/2024 23:43

Wooky073 · 28/12/2024 23:35

She isnt a lodger, as she isnt paying towards her keep or renting a room. She is a house guest who has overstayed her welcome and wont leave. Here is the definition of a lodger: https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/private_renting/lodgers
As there is no contract or payment then she has no rights. Even lodgers only get 7 days notice then you can change the locks. You dont even owe her that as she is just your house guest. Make that clear to her and say she needs to be out within a week.
If you do a letter of notice this seems like she is a lodger and has rights. She has none. Just tell her to leave and give her a week to do so. Then get her stuff out (maybe pop it under a tarp to keep it dry) and change locks. Threatening suicide is not realistic. When assessing the risk of a suicide you find out if there is a plan for suicide. If no actual plan then it is just a cry for help (or in this case a manipulation to continue her gravy train in your home). Of course she wont want it to end - who would want free accomodation to end. She will be on to the next person once she leaves. Some people do actually live like this going from person to person, sofa surfing or spare room surfing until they outstay their welcome and are kicked out.

Threatening suicide is not realistic. When assessing the risk of a suicide you find out if there is a plan for suicide. If no actual plan then it is just a cry for help (or in this case a manipulation to continue her gravy train in your home).

Call the crisis team and ask for a welfare check as she is threatening suicide. If she has ideations then the professionals need to diagnose and provide support (not you) - if not she will be flushed out.

HelmholtzWatson · 29/12/2024 04:51

People threatening suicide really grinds my gears. The likelihood of her going through with it is dying in a plane crash territory, so get her gone and feel good about it.