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friend ‘lodging’ gone sour

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sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

OP posts:
Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/12/2024 13:01

YABU to give this freeloader six weeks notice. I would be turfing her out today quite frankly.

Applepoop · 27/12/2024 13:02

I wouldn’t have given her 6 weeks notice. She needs to get the fuck out now.

Shatandfattered · 27/12/2024 13:03

Not read the full thread yet but my instant thought is she has no official contract with you so I'd be tempted to get her removed by the police

AngelicKaty · 27/12/2024 13:10

There are no grounds to involve the police (this is a civil matter). Only if the grifter friend kicks off and refuses to leave on 6th January could OP involve the police for a potential breach of the peace.

AngelicKaty · 27/12/2024 13:15

Barleycat · 27/12/2024 11:04

Why aren't your cats spayed?

If you'd read all of OP's posts you'd know why. She previously posted: "male cat is neutered and female cat is booked in but has to be off steroids for a certain amount of days before she can be x"

Pineapplewaves · 27/12/2024 13:18

She won't leave when the six weeks are up. The council will not give her any accommodation until she is actually homeless. I'd change the locks when she is out and not let her back in. She can go to the council and tell them she's homeless.

The council will call you and try to persuade you to take her back as it makes life easier for them than trying to find her somewhere to stay. Stick to your guns and refuse.

When she has somewhere to stay give her X weeks to collect her belongings and her cat, after that you can get rid of them/rehome the cat yourself.

Mrsbloggz · 27/12/2024 13:34

@sausagedogmumm
When you said "you have six weeks to move out" she heard "I'm a soft touch and you've got me in the palm of your hand"
Why is she threatening suicide? Because she knows that your partner was traumatized by his parent threatening suicide, she knows it's a way to control him so that she can get what she wants, a way to exploit the situation for her benefit.

Elsvieta · 27/12/2024 14:10

Tell her if if there are any more threats of suicide you'll be compelled to call social services or dial 999 and tell them you've got someone in urgent need of psychiatric help. Add cheerily that her mental health issues will at least probably improve her chances of getting council accommodation.

Hibernatingtilspring · 27/12/2024 14:33

@Pineapplewaves the council aren't likely to give this woman any accommodation even if she is actually homeless on the day with nowhere to sleep that night - unless there's some exceptional vulnerability that the OP hasn't yet told us.
That's not to say that op should continue to house her, but relying on the council to take her off her hands isn't helpful advice.

AngelicKaty · 27/12/2024 15:13

Hibernatingtilspring · 27/12/2024 14:33

@Pineapplewaves the council aren't likely to give this woman any accommodation even if she is actually homeless on the day with nowhere to sleep that night - unless there's some exceptional vulnerability that the OP hasn't yet told us.
That's not to say that op should continue to house her, but relying on the council to take her off her hands isn't helpful advice.

Indeed, unless OP's friend has some vulnerable circumstance that puts her in "priority" need they will not give her short-term "emergency" housing or longer term housing. However, there are other ways the local authority can help and so stating that she should make a homeless application to them is helpful advice. For example, you can make such an application 56 days prior to actual homelessness and this would have put her on the LA's Housing Options Team's radar. This team has two duties under housing law: "prevention" and "relief". Under the prevention duty they would have spoken to OP to explore if there was any way her "friend" could continue to stay there (and also investigate if there are family or other friends who could take her in). Of course, OP is not at all obliged to agree to this. They can discharge their relief duty by simply pointing the friend to the private rented sector and advising her to claim UC. Once she's in receipt of UC she can find a room to rent and claim the housing element of UC to cover her rent (or at least contribute to it). Also, once she's in receipt of UC, if she finds somewhere to rent but doesn't have any funds to pay the deposit and first month's rent (likely given that she's been unemployed for several weeks now), she can request a Discretionary Housing Payment (DHP) from the LA to cover this. The truth is, if OP's so-called friend had made a homeless application in late November, when OP and her DP gave her verbal notice of six weeks, she would be in a much better situation than she is now. Instead, she's buried her head in the sand and taken advantage of OP's and her DP's good nature.

Undisclosedlocation · 27/12/2024 15:43

You are a much nicer person than I am OP! With that level of piss taking I’d have waited for her to go out. Then changed the locks

MadinMarch · 27/12/2024 16:09

Polyethyl · 27/12/2024 11:16

Is it a lodger situation when no rent is paid?
If there is no payment then it surely can't even be a lodger status. Just unwanted guest status.

@Polyethyl Very good point and I think you're correct.
My main point was that an AST could not be created here, even if OP signed such a document.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 27/12/2024 16:32

Bet the reason she had 'nowhere else to go' was exactly the same as you've experienced.

Council offices are open on Monday. She'll likely tell you that they've said there's nothing.

Doesn't matter one bit - and in view of the threats, I'd suggest you changing your mind about the six weeks, otherwise it'll be eighteen months before you know it.

pinkyredrose · 27/12/2024 17:01

marmia1234 · 27/12/2024 07:53

Not in UK but I would be calling someone in authority and explain what's happened. CAHMS ( that's what it's called here for people having a mental breakdown) they are very fast in Australia. The first mention of suicide I would have called the police and explained you have a person threatening to commit suicide and they need to be escorted to the hospital
She must have some family or friend somewhere but if not pack all her stuff nicely in a big bag and put it in your garage.
The cat I would take to a cat shelter and give her name and number. Say she's unwell at the moment but could they hold the cat for a while.
Can't think of much else sorry. Horrid situation.

Shelters won't take cats from someone other than the owner. Op should say she found the cat and bring him in as lost.

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 27/12/2024 17:31

To echo others, based on her reaction you need to review the 6 weeks as she will now up the unreasonable behaviour and I would be very wary of leaving her in the house alone.

MoveOnTheCards · 28/12/2024 15:48

Surely this isn’t real? Are you still there @sausagedogmumm?

Therealjudgejudy · 28/12/2024 16:52

She is a parasite who has played you and your husband.

Get her gone, like yesterday!

TrustTheProcess · 28/12/2024 17:12

Personally I would tell her that that you and your husband are not equipped to deal with somebody who is suicidal, and that her insinuating you are responsible it is having a serious affect on both of your own mental health, so she needs to leave sooner and direct her to he relevant services. If she continues to threaten suicide, ring 111.

I'm sorry you are going through this, it's horrible when people are not willing to take responsibility for themselves.

CannotWaitForSummervibes · 28/12/2024 17:14

Don’t wait 6 weeks. She needs to be gone at the end if this week. She abused your trust the day she arrived by not sticking to any of the agreement.

Freeasabird76 · 28/12/2024 17:18

I'm a pushover but bloody he'll you're saints,no way would I have given another 6 weeks,she would have til the 6th January and no more,she's not even contributing and costing you hundreds.!!!

treacletoffee23 · 28/12/2024 17:21

Hell is paved with good intentions.
Being a landlord ( of any description) is a nightmare.
My friend stayed with me when she lost her house. I was with her when her mum died and after attempted suicide.
Fast forward to recently years when l needed support- nothing.
we let my ex bro in law stay rent free in an empty house we had
Complained about paying council tax, said they were desperate. After two years we needed to charge rent which they agreed to. On the day of signing they said they had changed their minds
Absolute nightmare.

Mlb123 · 28/12/2024 17:21

sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

She's a leech who enjoys flouting any ground rules or suggestions and I can tell you she doesn't appreciate the help given but sees it as her clever control and if you doubt it rhen try making up some ground rule that maybe isn't even an issue and then sit back and watch her flout it at the first opportunity. It can be something that has never been an issue or happened before but you'll see suddenly how it does once you've mentioned its am issue . She sees you as the easy life and she is costing you a third more or everything actually more because she's a third person and three Is a crowd. Threatening suicide is something you can actually use to your benefit to get her out . Pretend to take it serious and contact crisis teams and get her 'help' then see how she will suddenly be fine. She needs to be out for that alone as your partner has had awful experiences with a mother threatening suicide and its disgraceful she's doing that, but she's in clover with you and doesn't want it to end. All the bills covered, not needing to work and 2 people to constantly control by flouting the rules and she sees that as something that has no consequences as she's got away with it from the first day which wasn't your fault of course as she sprang it in you . Don't give her 6 weeks get her ro call tbe council's homeless section telling them ahe needs emergency accommodation and they will house her tbe same day in a hostel it b and b though the cat won't be allowed but she can get someone to look after it this time for real xx

Casperroonie · 28/12/2024 17:31

sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

Omg please I beg you, grow a back bone.

She'll kick you guys out next and keep your house. Seriously, get a grip. She has to go, asap!

GivingitToGod · 28/12/2024 17:38

Zombella · 26/12/2024 23:18

She's threatening suicide as a way of emotional blackmail. Her behaviour is appalling and if you don't get rid of her, it'll be you and your partner's mental health that suffers in the end. Stick to your deadline.

This
Her behaviour/attitude and entitlement is off the scale. Your support and generosity has been taken for granted and abused and the situation cannot continue.
YOU MUST STICK TO DEADLINE
She has the responsibility of finding somewhere to live, as does every other person.
And as for trying to get you to state that you are receiving rent from her to enable her to claim more benefits, that says it all.
Time for your life back

Isthisit22 · 28/12/2024 17:39

Protect your husband’s mental health by getting this awful, abusive woman out. It’s terrible that she’s playing on your husband’s insecurities like that.
Kick her out now- you owe her nothing.

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