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friend ‘lodging’ gone sour

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sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

OP posts:
JC03745 · 27/12/2024 01:07

What are you plans for the 6th?
Does she ever leave the property?
Change the locks?
Bag up her stuff and leave out the front for her to collect.
Legally, I don't know, but you have been more than generous!

BusyMum47 · 27/12/2024 01:08

captainPugwashh · 26/12/2024 23:16

Her mental health is not your problem
. She's taking the piss and is really manipulative.

This! ⬆️ You sound like lovely people - I'd have kicked her out weeks ago!! She's a rude, obnoxious, manipulative, selfish, freeloading asshole who doesn't give a shit about you & your kindness - stop feeling guilty & do everything it takes to get her out.

N1222 · 27/12/2024 01:11

Have you tried to inform the police about this situation, as you don't want her to actually commit suicide, and seen as she is living in your home, you cannot simply ignore this. Also, you gave her a reasonable enough deadline, she really has taken the pi** out off you. Her housing need is not your responsibility. She does not have respect for you or your home. You are forking out extra for her and you have done more than enough! Most people would gather her stuff and leave it by the door.

Mrsbloggz · 27/12/2024 01:15

her being jobless & having no storage space, that was all planned wasnt it

K90 · 27/12/2024 01:16

We had a friend who came to stay for 3 weeks until they got sorted. Ended up being 7 months. Never paid a penny, contributed to a bill or cooked a meal. We had a frank chat with them, said they had to move on. We are still friends to this day.
Be calm and firm and do not back down.

Mmhmmn · 27/12/2024 01:22

She’s not the person you thought she was.
She hasn’t seen it as a temporary thing. She hasn’t tried to keep a low profile to repay.your kindness
She’s now being extremely manipulative in threatening suicide on being given plenty of notice to leave. It’s a shame, she’s obviously in a bad place but she is also a piss taker and you’ve every right to have told her you want your room back.
She’ll need to find a room elsewhere. And should rehome the cat if she can’t be responsible for a pet right now. Her situation is not your fault or responsibility.

AngelicKaty · 27/12/2024 01:24

MadinMarch · 27/12/2024 01:03

It wouldn't be an AST as she's a lodger. A lodger has very virtually no rights.

Exactly right. Even if this freeloader was paying rent, her status under housing law would still be that of "Excluded Occupier" as she's sharing a kitchen and bathroom with her "landlord" (OP and her DP) - as you say, excluded occupiers have virtually no rights. OP only has to give her "reasonable" notice which is usually as little as one week. OP and her DP have been incredibly kind and generous and their so-called friend has well and truly taken them for mugs. Maybe if she'd been a more considerate lodger she wouldn't find herself in this position. Time for her to move on and learn not to take advantage of good people.

DreamTheMoors · 27/12/2024 01:25

Just to add a bit of humour to this thread, my cousin came to visit my husband and me. I’d been used to her for 30+ years but my husband had just met her.
She was a slob. She left dirty dishes everywhere. She left the milk out and the bread open and condiments uncapped.
My husband kept giving me “looks.” He hated her immediately. I think she enjoyed that lol.
I was down on my hands & knees washing the floor tiles and she walked in from the pool and dropped her wet towel right there in front of me.
My husband stuttered he was so mad.
My husband was verrry uptight, very proper (this will be important later). He was a Navy Man.
But that was my cousin — she was fiercely loyal and funny and generous and kind. She brought gifts and take-out food often. We floated on the pool and drank margaritas and gossiped and read the rags.
My trashy husband had a baby with some trashy teenage girl while he was still married to me. I was mortified for a minute until we began giggling about how my 40-year-old husband would explain his 17-yr-old girlfriend and their baby to his strait laced mum.
She stood by me through thick and thin.
Still the best houseguest ever.

andthat · 27/12/2024 01:35

DreamTheMoors · 27/12/2024 01:25

Just to add a bit of humour to this thread, my cousin came to visit my husband and me. I’d been used to her for 30+ years but my husband had just met her.
She was a slob. She left dirty dishes everywhere. She left the milk out and the bread open and condiments uncapped.
My husband kept giving me “looks.” He hated her immediately. I think she enjoyed that lol.
I was down on my hands & knees washing the floor tiles and she walked in from the pool and dropped her wet towel right there in front of me.
My husband stuttered he was so mad.
My husband was verrry uptight, very proper (this will be important later). He was a Navy Man.
But that was my cousin — she was fiercely loyal and funny and generous and kind. She brought gifts and take-out food often. We floated on the pool and drank margaritas and gossiped and read the rags.
My trashy husband had a baby with some trashy teenage girl while he was still married to me. I was mortified for a minute until we began giggling about how my 40-year-old husband would explain his 17-yr-old girlfriend and their baby to his strait laced mum.
She stood by me through thick and thin.
Still the best houseguest ever.

Whilst that must have been very hurtful, a 17 year old being groomed by a 40 year old is not ‘trashy’.

mondaytosunday · 27/12/2024 01:37

I would have told her to move out weeks ago. Don't listen to her threats she's totally manipulated you so far.
I had a friend who desperately tried to get me to take her in. She had loads of mental health issues. I refused -I knew as soon as I did the council/social services whomever would consider her housed in a safe place and I'd be stuck with her.
Make sure she moves out. Change the locks if you have to. And tell her you've changed you mind she's out in two weeks.

JC03745 · 27/12/2024 01:37

@andthat What relevance does your husband having an affair have with the OP's situation???

Beesandhoney123 · 27/12/2024 01:41

She has lied her way into your home and you will have the devil's own job to get her out.
All the fuss about the cat and you guys backing down told her you were a soft touch.

Don't sign anything. Stop referring to her as your friend.

If she threatens suicide, call the police. In fact, if she won't leave, you'll have to call the police anyway. Watch you tube on how to change locks and get ready.

6 weeks is too long. She isn't working. She has no money and a cat. She isn't going to find anywhere. She is an unpleasant house guest whom has overstayed their welcome.

Turn the heating off, change the WiFi password, she can go to the library if needs WiFi. Also tell her her being there is not covered on your house insurance. Make sure no post comes for her at your address, check your credit rating and record.

Invite your and your dp mum round. Especially if they are outspoken types.

bluecampbell · 27/12/2024 01:44

OP, I'm so sorry you're going through this.

I had a similar situation with a lodger in my house; the day she finally left was such a relief! My advice is to get her out sooner; you have no contract and as such you owe her nothing. You'd be within your rights to change locks (if she has a key) and dump her stuff on the street. If she has too much stuff to move then a letter stating when she can collect will suffice. She can then make her way to the council offices and they have a responsibility to put her up.

Good luck with it all!

Frankbeverleyandthebutlers · 27/12/2024 01:45

andthat · 27/12/2024 01:35

Whilst that must have been very hurtful, a 17 year old being groomed by a 40 year old is not ‘trashy’.

Yip that's grooming and possibly a year out of school.. dirty bastard.

Swannyb · 27/12/2024 01:48

Ariela · 26/12/2024 23:28

Put the notice in writing, so she then has evidence to go to the council as homeless and they can sort emergency accommodation.
You've been more than kind to her and she's taken advantage.

This! Put it in writing in case this gets really nasty, she refuses to leave and you end up in court.

I repeat, put the notice in writing!!!!!!!!!

loropianalover · 27/12/2024 01:49

toomuchfaff · 27/12/2024 00:47

I wouldn't give her 6 weeks, she would be out by the end of the day, sleeping on the street, I don't care, and her cat dropped at the shelter if she can't sort something. None of her problems are yours but she's making your life one big problem.

She won't go on Jan 6th, you realise this? What's your plan to get her out?

I agree with this. Why did you give her 6 weeks - pack her stuff and change the locks.

She’s not going to leave in January so you’ll have to pack her stuff and change locks then anyway. Why not just do it now rather than suffer through the next month?!

BruFord · 27/12/2024 01:59

If she hasn’t paid rent nor contributed to the bills, surely she can’t be a lodger at all? She’s simply a guest in your house, isn’t she?
An extremely annoying one.

Write that letter saying that she’s been staying (not lodging) with you but can’t stay after x date. Remove her stuff and change the locks on said date.

My suspicion is that she’s latched onto kind you, because she’s burned bridges with her family, she’s probably got form for this type of behavior.

DreamTheMoors · 27/12/2024 02:06

andthat · 27/12/2024 01:35

Whilst that must have been very hurtful, a 17 year old being groomed by a 40 year old is not ‘trashy’.

Not my problem, not my morals, not my husband any more. Not my police case to solve, either, if there was one.
Happened 800 miles away from me.
My former husband is definitely trashy.
Upon that there is no argument.

thrifty24 · 27/12/2024 02:09

Threatening suicide is incredibly manipulative. As awful as it sounds, those who threaten it do so as a means of control and those who want to go, will go without mentioning it to a soul

EdithBond · 27/12/2024 02:10

It’s obviously your home and you’re entitled to ask her to leave.

Unless she has someone else to stay with, she’s presumably facing street homelessness. If she’s unemployed she’s unlikely to find a rental (as most landlords and letting agents want to let to people in work who pass affordability checks). Most people without children have no rights to even emergency accommodation from the council. However, she should urgently speak to the council housing options team for advice, though they’ll be on skeleton staff over Xmas and New Year.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 27/12/2024 02:23

To be fair while threatening suicide is manipulative, she likely faces sleeping on the streets and is probably scared.

Frankbeverleyandthebutlers · 27/12/2024 02:29

She will probably get a hostel place or a b and b room neither are great by any means but her housing situation is not down to op even more so considering the so called friends behaviour.
If your being in op house was dependent on how you treated your host's wouldn't you fly under the radar and behave like a human being and respect your host's.

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 27/12/2024 02:34

I would change the deadline OP, based on the fact that by threatening suicide she is now causing your partner extreme stress due to their past experience. Just tell her that that she's used you, abused your hospitality and good nature, and is now using emotional blackmail in an attempt to get you to change your mind about her moving out. Then go on to say that in view of the suicide threats and effect that's having on your partner, you're not prepared to take a risk on her doing that, as this would ruin your home for you, and therefore on reflection it's better that she moves out with immediate effect.

I know this sounds really harsh, but if she did kill herself in your home, you would never get over it, you would never want to return to a home that suddenly held such an awful memory for you, so why take the risk, as she might just attempt it, in the hope of making you change your minds, and that's the last thing you deserve.

MayaPinion · 27/12/2024 02:48

Lavenderfarmcottage · 27/12/2024 02:23

To be fair while threatening suicide is manipulative, she likely faces sleeping on the streets and is probably scared.

In fairness, she has had a few months to get a new job and find new accommodation. She has chosen not to do that, and that’s not the OP’s fault or problem.

ThatKhakiMoose · 27/12/2024 03:08

Lavenderfarmcottage · 27/12/2024 02:23

To be fair while threatening suicide is manipulative, she likely faces sleeping on the streets and is probably scared.

If she hasn't been paying rent, she'll have been saving. Most people who work full-time and are single with no dependents can afford to rent a room. I don't see why she would be on the streets, unless she doesn't work.

Edit: I forgot that she doesn't have a job. But the poster above is right. You have to get a job and a room, like most people. And you have to take what you can, again like most people.

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