Mayor of Mazan (Gisèle Pelicot)

[niadainud]

Wtf? It's not that serious because no-one was killed? And he said this more than once in the interview.

Incroyable. Putain !

He's apologised, according to Le Monde, but still.

Bet there are a lot more wondering about it now this case has hit the headlines.

A lot of the wives stood by their husbands. I remember reading about the mayor saying this months ago.

What is to be gained by making this "all men" and not "these men". Why let these men off the hook?

Its no more justified than blaming all black people for because some black people commit crime or blaming all women for crimes committed by some women ( yes women commit crime too).

Just as these rapists don't prove anything about men in general.
They prove that they are weak and evil men.
If a man was to make such sweeping generalisations about " all women" you would combust.

Almost all women 18-24 (97%) have experienced sexual harrasment.
Just making a sweeping generalisation.
Assuming those are not all the same guys there has to be a high number of men doing these things.
Not your Nigel though.

all generalisations are stupid.
It's not defending men - who couldn't care less about a random MN poster - to simply point out that they are not a different species, and there's no "them" vs "us".

What's next? You hear about teen mothers found guilty of killing baby and hiding the body, so you start asking what's wrong with teen mothers? Again, stupid generalisation that would make no sense. That's literally how racists mind work by the way.

There are shit human beings everywhere, but there are also caring ones who help, and who are as horrified as you are about this story.

It's so boring, predictable and completely pointless and unhelpful to start ranting against "men".

all generalisations are stupid.

Most are. Because when you compare two populations and say "LOOK it's like..." the populations turn out to be remarkably similar. The ones that always pop up are, "it's like saying Muslims are terrorists". Or "it's like saying Black people are criminal".

When you break those down, and look at who commits crimes and terrorist acts, and you correct for social group and demographics, it's clearly cobblers. People in those two groups are normally roughly the same. You take the kid who is radicalised, or the kid who is offending, you give them different influences, different upbringings, chances are they won't do the act.

But in every society, in every time, in every place, in every single spot on earth, men are much more dangerous and violent than women. Horribly, in pretty much every one, the most dangerous person is the woman's intimate male partner. Also for children, the most dangerous person in their life? Male family member.

There is no comparison between the male population and the female one. None. Women who sexually offend or kill are total outliers, statistical anomalies. Men who sexually offend are very very common. When you ask the right questions, in the right way, a very large proportion of men will admit that they would rape.

And Gisele proved it. Unconscious, no witness, men did it. Because they thought they wouldn't get caught.

Just as an aside, Gisele has also made many women much safer. Some of the convicted were also DV abusers and had offended before. She has probably saved lives.

Most mumsnetters are level headed and don’t buy into hysteria. This particular case is bizarre and unusual which is the precise reason it’s getting so much media coverage. Obviously if you are talking to a bunch of women with loving sons, brothers, fathers and husbands and say ‘gosh look at this one weird overseas event doesn’t it prove how shit men are,’ they are going to say no. It’s not anti feminist to say this, it’s common sense.

I was talking to a couple of people about it. The woman was horrified & knew as much as I did. The bloke had vaguely heard about it but didn’t even know Mme Pelicot’s name. Maybe I shouldn’t have been as shocked and surprised by that as I was.

It's unusual as far as we know.

Mme Pelicot was drugged and raped for ten years before her h was found out because of a random upskirting charge.

Do not be so complacent about abuse being rare.

It’s irrelevant really whether all men are or not like this. Many are and that’s what we are discussing. Until I hear that swathes of women are raping and doing horrific sexual things en masse to men I think you can stop
with the NAMALT.

The reason you want to say NAMALT is because it is too worrying to talk about how many men (not all men but ONLY men) are like this.

I'd expect more from a man. I don't know any men who'd say this.

I would imagine quite a few of these rapists wife's thought their husband was fantastic too.

I often wonder how she knew this?

please read more

very well written @MrsTerryPratchett thank you for expressing this.

Me too, has taken me 50 years to finally get it, I never agreed with her as a young girl when I first read her writings. I really think I now really dislike men as a class.

and he fails to realise this makes it worse, because she will never know what actually happened to her, the images and clips she has will be a tiny percentage of what actually happened to her.

Did you really have to write ‘putain’?

@Tarraleah

"all generalisations are stupid.
It's not defending men - who couldn't care less about a random MN poster - to simply point out that they are not a different species, and there's no "them" vs "us".

What's next? You hear about teen mothers found guilty of killing baby and hiding the body, so you start asking what's wrong with teen mothers? Again, stupid generalisation that would make no sense. That's literally how racists mind work by the way.

There are shit human beings everywhere, but there are also caring ones who help, and who are as horrified as you are about this story.

It's so boring, predictable and completely pointless and unhelpful to start ranting against "men"."

The crime statistics speak for themselves. Men are responsible for over 80% of all violent crime and over 99% of all sexual crime. It's certainly not all men but it is ONLY men who are responsible for terrorising women. There is a reason your friends or family ask you not to walk home alone at night, not to drink too much on a night out, not to dress too provocatively. Ask yourself why women are expected to take these precautions. Why can't we trust men to not attack and rape us?

What exactly do you object to?

Do you know what it means?

@niadainud and @Persimmons123 Yes, I prefer arsehole myself. We all have one, we can all try not to be one. The Mayor of Navan did not try hard enough.

It makes men uncomfortable to talk about such things. When you are the beneficiary or at least not the main victim of a structural unfairness, and you're not doing anything to challenge that unfairness then talking about it to the people who are the main victims is going to feel uncomfortable.

But when it comes to real arseholery the closest I can get is "let them eat cake".

Yes, I know what it means, and clearly I was using it in the very commonly-used sense of "Fuck!", rather than calling anyone a prostitute.

Just like if I'd written "Fuck me!" I wouldn't have been suggesting I wanted to have sex with the Mayor of Mazan.

Anyway, I didn't mean any offence (other than to said Mayor of Mazan).

Putain as ‘fuck’ is just a short version of what the word really means, obviously. It’s an easy and cheap fuck with a woman who does that for money. I can’t believe when people use these words in general, but here it’s just not acceptable. You can justify it as you want, but the reality is that you are using the word ‘slut’ in a thread in which you pretend to care for women.