Mayor of Mazan (Gisèle Pelicot)

[niadainud]

Wtf? It's not that serious because no-one was killed? And he said this more than once in the interview.

Incroyable. Putain !

He's apologised, according to Le Monde, but still.

What a stupid thing to say.

#NotAllSnakes.

A NAMALT comment is a valid response to an All Men Are Like That Comment.
If people don't want to see NAMALT comments, and I do understand why, then people should't say things like, "He was a man. What else did you expect?"

For the love of fuck, can you maybe not jump in to defend men on a thread like this?

What do you get out of it? They don't think any better of you for it you know.

I think if this case has taught us one thing its that given the right circumstances pretty much all men are like that, when they think they can get away with it.

It's not all men
but its always men

I think his comments (inadvertently) illustrate what a long way we still have to go.

It is just exhausting how the NAMALT-ers love to start bleating on threads like this, can they really not read the room?

We could all start talking about how wonderful our dads/husbands/sons are but that is really missing the point, which is WHY are so many men repeatedly abusing women and girls and HOW are they getting away with hiding in plain sight?

It is horrifying what happened to Gisele. We are not even safe in our own homes, with our own husbands. Just horrifying.

No, it isn't a representation of all Frenchman's attitude. My DH is French and is disgusted by this heinous case.

And men wonder why we'd choose the bear.

No not all men are rapists.
But the overwhelming majority don't call out sexist banter, don't actively Distanzen themselves from creeps, etc.
Which should be the bare minimum.

Well if he isn't he's probably friends with one.
I always wondered about women living in the area where Gisele Pelicot lived. How could you trust your husband, your son if there are so many unknown perpetrators among them.
If I was a single women I would probably move elsewhere.

We could all start talking about how wonderful our dads/husbands/sons are...

But are they really? The last man I dated was/is very close to his mother and spends a lot of time with her. I'm sure she thinks he's a wonderful, decent, loving and thoroughly trustworthy son with good morals and a kind heart. Little does she know he lied about all manner of significant things (including her father's death), stood me up and otherwise let me down on umpteen occasions, totally fucked with my head and eventually dumped me by ghosting me.

And that's just one anecdotal example of behaviour which isn't in any way criminal but is very common amongst men, even into their 30s, 40s and beyond. I could give many others. I realise women aren't universally paragons of virtue, but I don't think they tend to behave quite so badly towards the opposite sex.

@niadainud Yes we definitely need to raise the bar for men as a society and hold men to account.

Sorry to hear about your experience- I had a catalogue of similar experiences when I was younger, it is not easy out there!

Well this fucking NAMALTS youngest son nearly got sacked from his job for squaring up to a 40 something male for the way he was objectifying 17&18yr old females. He is 23.
So not ALL men are useless onlookers.
The same as not all females are helpless maidens. (With the exception of Gisele) who was indeed helpless.

You continue to spectacularly miss the point.

Thanks. Unfortunately this wasn't when I was younger. It was in my late 40s and very recent.

It's sort of easy to mentally pigeon-hole - and almost disregard - the "obvious" criminals who fit our preconceptions; they're not nice people, unlike our fathers/brothers/sons/partners. In our minds they're barely the same species. But there are many, many men out there presenting as respectable, decent members of society; well educated with good jobs and so on, maybe with their own family, who are nevertheless behaving very poorly when it comes to things like consent, openness, faithfulness, sexism, etc. Maybe not doing anything as horrific as Dominique Pelicot did, but still being slightly shit human beings with a convincing veneer of "not being like that".

And I'm sure we don't know the half of it. Every man is someone's son, after all.

Everyone knows that, you're not telling us new information, it comes over like you're just policing womens language

What point! That all men are scummy potential rapists and wife beaters?
That point?

I'm policing womens language? What does that even mean?

Well said @Plastictrees

The NAMALT hard core might like to have a look at some of the vile comments left by men on articles about the case. Also on my Facebook the number of men I've seen commenting to condemn the case is vanishingly small.

Women are in denial of how truly base many men will be if given the opportunity. Including some of the men they know who they claim are such 'good guys'

As far as I'm concerned there's only 1 reason someone defends the indefensible.

It's not difficult to understand. Point me in the direction of a thread where you last said 'not all women' in womens defence.

The point, if you could look beyond the end of your nose for a moment, is that far, far too many men are scummy potential rapists and wife beaters, that even the ones who aren't quite that scummy are often pretty damn scummy, and that there are enough of them out there that we can't have any confidence that it isn't, in fact, all of them, even if your son is one of the few exceptions - which he may or may not be as he's hardly likely to come running to tell you if he has ever treated a woman badly, is he?

And even if your son is pure as the driven snow and a better person than Jesus Christ himself, it doesn't prove anything about men in general.