AIBU in thinking this could spread rapidly to other schools? Parents have to come into school to change NT DCs if they soil themselves.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schools-tell-parents-if-your-34349942

It's been a long time coming but I can see it will spread now there are fewer TAs.

As long as SEN needs are taken into account I think it's a good idea.

I do agree if they are not toilet trained they shouldn’t be in school.
Some pre schools wouldn’t even take kids a few years back for this reason.

Yeah I believe there was a lot of fear in the year or two after COVID born are 4 ISH now to 7 year olds would have been 3 in COVID is that right?

@nothinghasactuallychanged children were not sent to secure units or schools for behavioural problems at 4 and 5 years old which is what we are talking about. I grew up in a very rough area in the seventies. Lots of neglected kids. A few did not go to mainstream secondary. They all started at the local primary though.
It was the kind of area where some toddlers were behind because of neglect. But they were toilet trained because everyone used towelling nappies which were a pain to wash and dry when you only had a twin tub. So children were toilet trained young.

Yes, those born during 2020 would be 4 now. Those 3 years old during 2020 would be 7 now.

However, even when the take up rate dropped, they didn’t drop to the extent you are talking about. The lowest was 90% during 2021.

I had a friend who's child had learning difficulties. He was 8 and still in nappies. She admitted she couldn't be arsed potty training him amd was furious when school said they would call her to change him (2 minutes walk away) and if she refused they would send him home.

You don't sound a very good friend and school sound negligent

Based on what you have described, as an experienced childcare provider, I’d expect you to immediately complete a referral to children’s services for them to triage and assess. Parents who are unable or unwilling to support their children to meet their basic needs would warrant further investigation from social care professionals.

There seems to be this idea that children are not ready to be potty trained if it takes more than 3 days for the child to get it. That is not true.

I haven't said a COVID related rate? In my area the uptake is lower due to temporary housing, shortage of suitable places, families using family childcare, not seeing the need as they don't work, language barriers (advisors getting message out to community etc). And other barriers to access. But COVID did make it worse.

Some friend you are.
Is the diagnosis ‘learning difficulties’ not clear enough for you? 🤦🏻‍♀️ It is not simply academic learning, it is learning in every area in which children may be delayed.

Yes they would, but Social Services would not assess a family just because the child was in nappies at too late a stage.

The parent with the 8 year old sounds negligent, after all she gave birth to him not the school

It has all become absolutely ridiculous

@Sushu learning difficulties does not mean a child can not be toilet trained. Unless the learning needs are very profound.

That’s not what @jannier said.
Look at the post I quoted, she is describing neglect in multiple areas.

It means they can be delayed. You are absolutely incorrect that it is only with profound difficulties.

You said the rate dropped after Covid and have implied the uptake rate is low. Nationally, the take up rate now is 95% and it only dropped to 90% in 2021. There may be small pockets of significantly lower rates across the country but it isn’t widespread otherwise the statistics would be lower.

Kindreds survey supports @jannier s personal experience

It actually does not , as it doesn't mention nappies, just "frequent rather than occasional toileting "mishaps"".

24% not toilet trained
37% can’t dress on their own
54% of parents think it’s not their responsibility to get kids school ready

i recall @jannier mentioned something similar at some point.

No I commented that the rate did drop, not what it is now I actually said I don't know what it is now but presume it's gone up . I've also said it varies by area and spoke about what impacts my area.

You posted “many not attending childcare....” which implied the take up rate is low.

I'd say that is exactly what the school should do. Why should a school employee deal with it when mum is just minutes away. Her kid, her mess.

24% not toilet trained
37% can’t dress on their own
54% of parents think it’s not their responsibility to get kids school ready

I explained and they have as well what they mean by toilet trained. Toileting "mishaps" , whatever that means.

Wrong .54% of parents believe the cause of the children not being ready for school is due to parents not thinking it's their responsibility. Not surprising going by this thread, but completely different statement. Interestingly, less (even if by 1%) of the teachers think that.

The majority of parents (79%)believe their child should be toilet trained in Reception.

Still leaves 21% who do not think that.

Wonder if those stats are same in private schools?