AIBU in thinking this could spread rapidly to other schools? Parents have to come into school to change NT DCs if they soil themselves.

[CwmYoy]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schools-tell-parents-if-your-34349942

It's been a long time coming but I can see it will spread now there are fewer TAs.

As long as SEN needs are taken into account I think it's a good idea.

You know what else is not in my contract(as a TA)?Having to teach and cover. And yet I've been doing it regularly for years.

Next time one of your children's teachers is off sick , or attending a meeting or whatever , if the TA is covering maybe she should turn around and say nope. If no one else is available, I'm sure you'd be happy to pick them up or have them miss days and days of education because "a contract is a contract is a contract". Right?

Actually, very bad medical aid aside, isn't the whole reason schools hire special help exactly because medical issues are not part of their job? what’s this help you talk of?

And again, if they do not have that in place. Either due to lack of funding or inability to find somebody to do the role, then it must be accepted that childs needs could not be met at that time in that school.

Please do tell, what special medical help do schools hire?

I think on this issue you very much do need a reality check!

Lack of funding, resources or staffing is not a lawful excuse for acting unlawfully. Toileting needs would not meet the legal threshold for a school claiming to be unable to meet a child’s needs.

Shroedinger's schools... at the same time severely understaffed but also hiring special help for medical issues.

Is that the same schools where parents put their kids in the special school/class because it's easier than potty training?

@Sirzy
There was a typo in that part, I fixed it

@BlueSilverCats
Please do tell, what special medical help do schools hire?

Pretty sure I saw mentioned more than once if a child has specific special needs then school hires someone to deal with that.

What is their specifications I have no clue

@BrightYellowTrain You can bang on as long as you like (and you have) about the legality but if there is no one willing then there is no one to do it. Legally teachers can refuse. That's also a legality.

We've clashed over this before.

You've never come up with a solution other than "that's unlawful".

In which case, the law is an ass.

I will continue to ‘bang on’ about a child’s rights and how said rights can be enforced as long as others continue to post incorrect information about how schools can act unlawfully and while pupils continue to be discriminated against.

As I have posted previously, nowhere have I said individual teachers have to do anything.

So when every individual teacher refuses, what happens?

I have come up with solutions to you excusing unlawfulness. You just don’t like the answers.

Schools could support parents in requesting EHCNAs and, where necessary, support parents to appeal to SENDIST. Instead, some schools perpetuate the LA’s unlawful policies such as DC can’t get an EHCP unless we have 2+ APDR cycles/they are 2+ years behind/we have spent £6k or you can’t get an EHCP for a child before they have started school.

Schools/nurseries could also apply for early years inclusion funding/high needs top up funding.

Schools could work with parents to enforce the LA’s duty under s42 of the CFA 2014.

Schools could look at JR against the LA.

@CwmYoy
You can bang on as long as you like (and you have) about the legality but if there is no one willing then there is no one to do it. Legally teachers can refuse. That's also a legality.

I honestly want to see someone try to sue a teacher because they didn't do something that isn't really part of their job, which might happen with the nappies situation.

Something tells me the teacher would win lol

@Hercisback1
We've clashed over this before.

You've never come up with a solution other than "that's unlawful".

In which case, the law is an ass.

Their solution boil down to force the teacher to do it, pretty sure it would backfire if they really try to force it lol

No NT 4 or 5 year old would go in nappies willingly to school. The problem with saying only for those with SEN needs is that many SEN needs have yet to be discovered.

My autistic child didn't get his diagnosis until year 1, he started school a whole year earlier in nappies (and still is!). I work with many schools (as a professional) who would have refused to admit he had SEN needs until he got that diagnosis as a means to try and avoid changing him if this policy was an option.

The school (or LA in the case of their s42 duty) must ensure they have appropriate staff. If they haven’t got someone who can do that, they must relook at the staffing as @Sirzy posted.

Quote where exactly I have posted the “solution boil down down force the teacher to do it”. You can’t because I haven’t.

All of this ignores the lack of time and people in school to do it.

But you keep on your crusade about how shit schools are.

You haven't posted, but you and other posters made clear you all believe the teacher has to do it.

Situation, kid needs changing, teachers all refuse, they phone the LA who realise they don't have the staff, what happens? Logical conclusion is phone the parents right?

You know what schools probably do have time and people for even if they're shit? Lawyers.

Between a parent and a school I can imagine who would win in a "my lawyer is better than your lawyer" competition, institutions always cover their ass after all.

Schools really don't have the money for lawyers.

Not all the time of course, but I imagine if shit hits the fan they have one to call, one always find money if you're being sued, they magically find the budget for it

No I haven’t.

Lack of time or staff doesn’t excuse unlawfulness.

If a school is complaining about so many children not being toilet trained as a regular matter rather than the occasional accident, the should plan ahead, not wait until a child needs changing.