AIBU in thinking this could spread rapidly to other schools? Parents have to come into school to change NT DCs if they soil themselves.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schools-tell-parents-if-your-34349942

It's been a long time coming but I can see it will spread now there are fewer TAs.

As long as SEN needs are taken into account I think it's a good idea.

One of the few positive outcomes of the teacher shortages is that if teachers refuse to do nappy changes, the schools are so desperate for staff they will hopefully start supporting them. Other than ‘accidents’, it should never have been part of a teacher’s role anyway. Parents will step up very quickly when it affects their jobs and income or causes them inconvenience. It really isn’t fair to focus on potty training a few at the expense of the education of the many. If parents don’t step up, report them to social service and social services, not schools, decides the appropriate path from that point.

Schools can’t be responsible for picking up the pieces for poor parents, social services and health care - oh, and educate children. It’s an absolute disgrace that it has got to this point. I completely disagree that parents can’t be forced to be accountable.

I think almost everyone expects them to. But you cannot force them to, certainly not in this manner.

More money is of course the answer, either to have extra adults to do it in schools, or additional adults to support parents for whatever reason they haven't done it, or to build a sustained drive to reverse the trend through awareness and education. Money that isn't available.

Let’s all hope that teachers refuse too. Why should other children suffer because some parents are lazy? We are losing sight of normal behaviour and don’t have the funds to deal with this nonsense.

Lets definitely NOT hope that they refuse to. Why should any child suffer because their parents are lazy? It's most certainly not their fault.

But ultimately its about the welfare and dignity of the child you can't punish a child because they have neglectful parents

in which case social services step and remove the child from neglectful parents. If they can’t be bothered to potty train, what else isn’t happening? Give funding to social services for this to happen. I’m not sure why schools are taking the brunt AGAIN.

Poor parents aren’t the problem of teachers. It is a social problem (Gee, Officer Krupke). Involve social services. Teachers are the easy option for lazy parents and a lazy society. There’s a teacher shortage because of this.

There are a lot of children aged 5 to 7 not potty trained in my local schools with no medical reason.

Good call to involve social services, I don't disagree. But how long do you imagine that will take? How many times will a child have an accident at school during that time?

What you're advocating and championing is a group of adults standing around and deliberately leaving a child in wet and dirty clothes all day to punish a parent. That can never happen, not even once

@jannier how many kids? Define a lot.

Same experience as mine. However that doesn't fit the narrative.

No but by the end of a week you have a fair idea! End of the week, social services called and children not allowed back in school. Social services decide the next step. Education of the remaining children only disrupted for a week.

Or maybe there's a shortage of school teachers because according to some posters no parent should work unless they can have their phone on them at all times(not allowed in most schools), must work 30 mins away at most, must drop everything and come to school when asked and shouldn't even be working and on call all the time if their child is not potty trained. Because guess what? Teachers have kids with toileting issues too.

I don't think so (no I am not coping for having a child still in nappies at school mine were all out of nappies at 2)

I don't think it's parental laziness because I know people raised by literal heroin addicts who knew not to soil themselves at school. Every kid at school in nappies will have some sort of special need because "neuro typical" kids (I think that's the right word? Apologies if not) KNOW that it's embarrassing to poo yourself in front of your classmates yes even the kids with lazy parents know this.

So you think it's a good idea not allowing a child back in school ,when there has Been, enough concern by school to call social services?

No but by the end of a week you have a fair idea! End of the week, social services called and children not allowed back in school. Social services decide the next step. Education of the remaining children only disrupted for a week.

I can tell you have no idea. It can take up to a year to remove a child when there are addiction issues,neglect and abuse happening. Some are never removed . In a week you're lucky if someone from SS actually saw a child, much less decide on a course of action/plan. You legally can't ban a child from attending school.

You're talking based on what .. exactly? What facts do you have? What numbers ,statistics and studies?What information and knowledge do you have? Beyond making shit up and preening you're not one of "them" and soo much better?

Social care is in the midst of a national crisis as the funding model is completely unsustainable. Several local authorities are on the brink of bankruptcy as a result.

Unless this changes, I really can’t see social services taking this issue off the schools’ hands.

A week of what? A child sitting in wet clothes until it becomes apparent the parents aren't coming? A week of humiliation and sadness for them? And then being punished by being excluded. Great work.

I think you're under the impression that social services have infinite resources and respond to every call immediately, like the bat signal. They swoop in the moment a call is made and promptly have a funded, approved plan of action that very afternoon. How wonderful.

However, teachers / school staff should and must continue to change a child until a resolution is found, and that may take some time - during which that child is entitled to an education, free of humiliation and bullying.

My DC is diagnosed with ND now but was not fully dry in the day until year 2. They had multiple accidents daily. I sent bags of clean clothes with them. No one understood as they were bright, seemingly NT and I spent a fortune on private assessments to see if there was anything physically wrong.

No one wanted to know about ND at that age despite me raising the alarm bells from an early age (symptoms other than toileting). I again, at great expense, had to pay privately for a diagnosis.

Many people are not in the privileged position that I am to pay for these things privately. So no, I don't think children should be banned from education due to toileting issues. There will be very few parents that actively want their child to not be toilet trained and it's very likely to be a physical or ND condition that they cannot get an appointment to assess and even if they do they'll be waiting 3 years for a diagnosis.

In a class of 30 8 started in nappies 2023 this year it was 11 in year one

A lot of people also don't believe private assessments/diagnosis. It's all wink wink nudge nudge , inverted commas and "that parent". You can't wink.

The cynic realist in me sees this as what it is. Another (poorly disguised) attempt to marginalise and exclude children with (particularly significant)SEND. They just don't want them there.

How do you know?

Not ideal but at least the staff can concentrate on educating the other dc

Yes exactly, another way to shame parents of SEND children for being poor parents!

Supermarket nappies are surprisingly affordable! We could get a month's supply for about £10. Not ideal but not a deal breaker.