AIBU in thinking this could spread rapidly to other schools? Parents have to come into school to change NT DCs if they soil themselves.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schools-tell-parents-if-your-34349942

It's been a long time coming but I can see it will spread now there are fewer TAs.

As long as SEN needs are taken into account I think it's a good idea.

No
I wasn’t saying that of course
However
As we were more than 2 hours away ( assuming trains arrive as soon as we get to the station, which they don’t of course) then if there was a real emergency I would assume the school wouldn’t wait for us and would call an ambulance.

I was responding to our school not asking for local emergency contacts and us not having anyone anyway even if they did.

From 1st January 2025, if a child is attending nursery/school in a nappy or pull ups, parents will be expected to come in and change their child. The only exception to this policy will be for children who are in nappies/pull ups due to a medical need, which must be accompanied by a letter from a consultant.

There’s nothing remotely unfair about that.

How would they know? We had no idea my severely autistic DS had any additional needs at 3. Albeit he was potty trained. I thought not being potty trained would be considered an 'additional need' where they would be monitoring? You usually wait years for an autism assessment.

but that doesn’t take into account the waits many parents face to see a consultant or get support.

and that’s ignoring the massive waste of time expecting letters for schools to provide basic care for children

I'd imagine that a medical diagnosis will mean the school gets extra funding for added work. We do have to appreciate that if a teacher and an assistant is dealing with a childs soiling, they are neglecting the other 29 children in that class.

I worked over two hours away my husband more
We couldn’t afford to buy near our work so we moved out
Our type of work isn’t available everywhere
If I’m over two hours away ( nearer than my dh )it is what it is.
I would get there as soon as possible
We had surgeons as parents as well and I can’t see them stopping an operation. They’d get there as soon as
If I’m lecturing I am not permitted a phone. That’s in my contract. That’s the same for all my colleague lecturers
The school did not ask for a local contact
They only ever asked for our contact details

If a kid got ill at school and it was a non emergency they stayed in the sick bay till a parent turned up.

My son was still under the neonatal consultant when he started school so he would have been ok. So many children aren't though. Many autistic children wait years for a diagnosis.

Imagine all you like but no a diagnosis brings no funding

@SilverChampagne considering most incontinence services won't even accept a referral under the age of 4(never mind waiting times, actually seeing a consultant, a diagnosis/confirmation and getting a letter) and nursery starts at 3 (or possibly younger) you really don't see any issues?

I could almost certainly guarantee that part of your schools policy is that you must have your phone on and be contactable. Obviously if you are not contactable you are asking a helluva lot of a teacher if they have to make medical decisions whether serious or not.

I'd question if your parents did not have somebody that was within the school locality who would be contacted if they didn't respond.

I had this issue having moved to a new area. Luckily one of the other school mums who was a childminder and had overheard offered to be an emergency contact. Luckily never needed

Well yes I have
Kids in parts of Wales have to, for example.
Our kids had to, in fact I recall at 3years they had to be toilet trained.

I could almost certainly guarantee that part of your schools policy is that you must have your phone on and be contactable.

And you would be wrong.

Unlucky for us we did need someone as my husband had a brain haemorrhage and I was chasing after the ambulance all the way to Kings Hospital, London.

The head offered to take ours for the night….. amazing guy!

Agree, @BlueSilverCats

That is appaling and completely unfair on the shool imo.

There were nurses and a local gp the school used.
They had sick rooms / med centre
Louds of parents wouldn’t have known anyone locally, especially for the older kids.
There was a hefty contract to sign and I assure you, nothing about keeping our phones on. Just two numbers to contact.

For SEN child, personal care / nappies is part of the education plan. The TA must have specific training. The school must have an area & a lift so staff doesn’t get injured lifting a larger child. It’s a care NEED. This is for nursery and older years.

For a typical child, school have a safeguarding conflict if there is no trained staff & no parental permission for a stranger to be in contact with child’s genitals.

Policy 100% right thing.

So a TA would need to change an SEN teenager if they soiled themselves ?

So no child that has an accident at school can/should be helped by staff and parents should come in for all children every time they have an accident?

Great. Well, not great and a pain in the arse , including for school staff but at least this would be aimed at ALL children and ALL parents, which this policy isn't. This policy specifically targets vulnerable children , the vast majority with (probably undiagnosed yet) SEN .

I'm astounded then. No wonder educators are up in arms on the expectations put on them.

It was a requirement 50 years ago that somebody could attend within circa 30 minutes and be contactable.

Most child with SEND are able to be potty trained before compulsory school age. A normal potty training age is 2-ish, so you're talking about a 3 year delay which is extremely noticeable at that age.

The level of SEND which prevents a school aged child from being potty trainable is severe.

You'd expect that to have been picked up very young.

Hmm I started infants in 1976. I remember feeling ill one day ( was the day of the school fete also)

I was sent to lie down in the nurses room until my mums friend who collected us ( as mum was working) came at home time as usual to collect her own kids also

And we didn't have a landline at home never mind mobiles so not sure how they planned to contact parents tbh

Mine aren’t that old.

However, I am
My mum would never have got to our school when I was young. 50 years ago.
They moved the school well out of town and neither she nor my dad drove. The same with all the parents. No one could pay for taxis either, far too poor.
If we were Ill at school we stayed in the sick bay and were put on the free school coach back to town at the end of the day.

although I was never I’ll at school. I won a prize for never taking a single day off. The first kid ever…🤣🤣