AIBU in thinking this could spread rapidly to other schools? Parents have to come into school to change NT DCs if they soil themselves.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schools-tell-parents-if-your-34349942

It's been a long time coming but I can see it will spread now there are fewer TAs.

As long as SEN needs are taken into account I think it's a good idea.

Teachers don’t do it. TAs do it and just get on with it.

not all kids get a diagnosis quickly.

There's also nothing in contracts (teacher or TA's) about dealing with toilet accidents. Should we leave any kid that has an accident, no matter how old, no matter how frequent or infrequent, no matter the reason to sit there soiled until their parents can make it to school ? Or since these are "genuine" accidents, they're somehow more worthy and deserve a wipe down?

So when you had DC did you think, can I afford a full time stand by nanny, just incase my DC have additional needs?

From what I remember, don't parents have to nominate an emergency contact that can come to the school within 30 ish minutes?

There are older children with continence problems but it's very much more hidden as they get older. So yes, talking to a paediatrician at our last appointmenr she said you'd be surprised how many and for the majority it is developmental i.e. they can't find a specific reason and it goes along with other SEND, and most cases resolve before the age of 18. Hope that's the case for DS.

Not sure I have ever read anything about 30 minutes. Even so, for example my sister is our nominated emergency person. She is also the business officer for a busy primary school around 30 mins away, but she wouldn't be able to drop everything to pop over 3 x a day when DS was in primary and wetting a lot through the day (not his fault, urologist says dysfunctional voiding). Neither could I (work in education and need to be in a room with teens for safeguarding), or DH, he worked an hour away then. No one with a job or a separate life could repeatedly be at hand during a school day. Unless you employ Mary Poppins.

My children (not UK) were not allowed to start nursery (3yo) unless they were out of nappies. #1 and 3 both potty trained early and independently but #2 had a busy old week the week pre nursery starting, trying to get him dry 🤣

As an EYFS/ KS1teacher in the UK now, the numbers needing changing have rocketed the past 2 years. I've had a KS1 child sent in in nappies because 'we've been so busy so haven't managed to sort potty training' 😳 Well sort it. Sit at home with lots of potties round the place like the rest of us and waste a week of your life sorting it. I do think if there's no ND/ SEND/ SEMH/ or any other issues in play then it's neglect of the child to not have supported them to learn this skill before school.

I would assume a child can’t start school unless potty trained.
Certainly this was the case when my sons started.

Parents work so I have no idea how it would work if they had to leave work to clean their kid up. I lived in Kent, commuted into London. 1 1/2 hours train and tube plus then car to get to the school. so my kid would be left soiled for a very long time. That’s assuming I could be got hold of. If I’m lecturing I had to have my phone off.
( Are schools allowed to just leave kids in that state for a prolonged period. )
My dh worked further away.

The only solution is to not take kids unless they can use a toilet.

Can you just refuse to take them. Send them home and tell the parents to sort it.

Back in 1980 when I first attended school they required a person to be available locally that could come in at a moments notice. If your child is capable of dealing with his wetting that is fine, eg pullups he can change himself. But I'd disagree that is part of a school employees responsibility.

Considering many children are not yet diagnosed at that age I think it’s discriminatory.

@ARealitycheck
we weren’t asked re emergency contact.
If we were we didn’t have anyone having moved house as we couldn't afford to buy in London.
So We knew no one.

What happens if you don’t have anyone? Are you refused a school place ?

I'm hoping what is being discussed is children with regular accidents. Not ones where an upset tummy or getting caught out playing in the cold.

Here in Wales children could start Ysgol Feithrin at age 2 yr 6 m as long as they were out of nappies and reliably clean and dry .
No child started primary school still in nappies , it just wasn't a thing .

Yes
The threads about kids who aren’t toilet trained

Very surprised at that, what would happen if a child was taken seriously unwell and admitted to hospital. Surely somebody nominated by the family would have to take on the duty of care.

I know 45 years ago, parents would team up and create cover for each other.

Theyd have to phone us at work
They didn’t ask for any emergency numbers, they just took ours.
If a kid is taken seriously unwell I would fully expect them to call an ambulance and not wait for parents first.

Irrelevant. The school has already stated that the policy does not apply to children with additional needs.

But you’d be there as soon as humanly possible.
There’s no reason or excuse to not be “able” to.

I didn't make any claims about SEN provision in the 90's, it's not something I have any knowledge of.
All I was saying is that I have encountered many people with kids who are now at least twenty who have told me they didn't put them in school at age 4, but purposely kept them at home or pre-school and put them straight into year 1 at age 5. I just don't think this was remarkable years ago. I met a lady running a playgroup who put her child (ten years older than mine, then) straight into year 1, because she wanted their language to catch up a bit first. My much younger 30 something brother went straight into year 1, and he was a bang average kid. I have a cousin in their mid 30s who started school in one area at 4 - the family moved - and then had a battle as the new area said they didn't have provision for 4 year olds. Eventually they let my cousin join year 1 early, presumably the school had been satisfied that they were developmentally ready.
My experience of mixing with large amounts of people of different ages and chatting about this sort of stuff tells me that virtually no child goes straight into year 1 today. If kids are starting at age 5, the parents are overwhelmingly wanting them to go into EYFS. And while some schools are fine with that, some are very resistant. And if I had a pound for every time I have heard a parent say 'My child wasn't ready for school at 4...' 😀
My point is, that although children are still not legally required to be in full time, formal education until the term after they turn five - which technically means year 1 - it is now considered unusual, but this wasn't always so.

@MrsSunshine2b considering the policy is driven by anecdotal data (by their own admission), the fact that most SEND issues aren't fully apparent or recognised until a child starts school and how long referrals and assessments take , which children do you think will be the most affected?

They require a consultant letter to accept it’s a medical need(whether autism, gdd etc would fall under that it wasn't clarified) and apply the exception. Even if significant issues are apparent at 1(you have more chances living on Mars than that referral ever being made)a diagnosis by 3 is highly unlikely.

They aren't making allowances for SEND children. They are targeting them.

But would it be unreasonable to expect a parent or their nominated person to arrive within 30 minutes to the school or hospital? I'd imagine a teacher would have to go in an amubulance until one of those showed up. I'd say you are unreasonable if you think they should remain with your child for two hours minimum.

Can I also pick up on your previous post, where you coudn't just stop your lecture immediately. The same applies to all the other staff at your childs school.

Well you probably need to read the thread and stop assuming

Just noticed shockedItellyou yes my maths is off sorry, I meant 15-20 years +, not 10-15 years, sorry!